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Asian men in Canada often fret that the laws of supply and demand are working against them when it comes to hooking up with the right woman.

Many of Metro Vancouver’s 400,000 Asian men, more than half of whom are ethnic Chinese, express two major complaints about the North American dating scene.

One: They are convinced that Asian women would rather go out with white men.

Two: They worry that white men prefer Asian women.

Are men with Asian ethnic origins justified in feeling anxious these racial preferences are actually operating in North American dating?

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Ronald Lee, founder of a relationship service for Asian men in Metro Vancouver, believes Chinese, Japanese, Korean and other men with East Asian roots who make these complaints are looking for excuses to avoid facing their social awkwardness.

“I think men who say those things are bitter,” says Lee, 33, who on Wednesday night organized the founding meeting of the Asian Men’s Social Empowerment group, designed to help Asian men support each other in building relationships with women.

A two-year study out of Columbia University in New York City confirms Lee’s perception that Asian men who worry the dating deck is stacked against them are buying in to false stereotypes.

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In his research, Columbia University economist Ray Fisman did not find any evidence that white men prefer to date East Asian women.

And even though Fisman discovered a significantly high pairing of East Asian women with white men in the U.S., he concluded it was the case only because East Asian women “discriminated” racially against black and Hispanic men, and felt “neutral” toward white men.

Convinced that the family pressure on young Asian men to achieve financial success creates their relationship difficulties, Lee has made a career out of working with hundreds of East Asian men, and to a lesser extent Caucasians, to overcome their chronic social ineptitude.

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“A lot of Asian men grow up in extremely restrictive and over-critical households, where they are told they cannot date women until they finish university or get a job,” Lee said in an interview.

“Their parents push them to have a steady income before they seek out a woman, and it really screws them up. When the time finally comes, they don’t have the social skills and self-confidence for dating.”

Many East Asian men lack a firm identity and are “emotionally stunted,” said Lee, a Simon Fraser University graduate who was born in east Vancouver after his parents moved to Canada from Hong Kong in the 1970s.

Many Asian men veer back and forth between relational extremes, Lee said. On one hand, many shyly fear they’re seen as “geeks.” On the other, they jump in to the dating scene with “false bravado” and unrealistic fantasies.

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Many Asian men have unhelpful expectations of meeting either “mother figures” or “beauties,” Lee said. They run up against Asian and other women looking for “someone to take care of them.” Things often don’t click.

In Metro Vancouver, which has the highest rate of mixed-race relationships in Canada (nine per cent), Lee said he has been in three serious partnerships — two with Chinese women and one with a Caucasian.

Generally, Lee joins many others in maintaining that Metro Vancouver, compared with other major cities in North America and Europe, “is the hardest place to get a date for anyone.”

Many Metro men and women are so individualistic and “into doing their own thing” that they haven’t learned the art of flirting and connecting with potential partners.

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In other words, the advice that Lee offers his predominantly East Asian male clients and friends for improving their relationship skills could apply to people of any ethnicity or gender in dating-challenged Metro.

Tip one: Truly listen to and appreciate the person you are meeting.

Tip two: Understand and convey what’s special about you.

Tip three: Trust it when you feel the “chemistry.”

(Feature photo by Sodanie Chea)

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I groaned as all the signs I had ignored collided like pieces of Tetris and sank deep into my gut. 

It was a Saturday afternoon and I was sitting in bed browsing through Bumble. I had been on this supposedly classier version of Tinder for about two weeks. I wasn’t hopeful to meet anyone significant. As a junior doctor, it is rare that I stay in the same place for more than a couple of years and I was due to move in the next few months – Bumble was just my way of social profiling. A guy got a “yes” swipe from me if he wasn’t butt-ugly and overtly obnoxious on his profile.

Justin was thirty-one and a corporate professional. I gathered that much from his job description as “Director” and the grey suit and collared shirt that he wore in his profile picture. He was white with curly black hair and grey eyes behind wire-framed glasses. If he walked down the street, I probably wouldn’t have looked back at him but his profile read, “I travel between Asia and Australia for work. I was born in Canada and can speak French.” Call me an intellectual snob, but in an app where most guys couldn’t be bothered to type full words, a profile that contained a complete sentence was a refreshing “How are you?” in a sea of “Sup?” Aw! I really like this one! He can write in full sentences! I thought to myself. And besides, surely he would be interesting if he’s travelled so much.

I swiped right and messaged, Hi, in the in-app messenger.

Hello. Lovely to meet you, he wrote back. Tell me about yourself.

I smiled. First contact confirmed my preconceptions: He was eloquent, or as eloquent as someone can get on a dating app. He seemed like a gentleman. I was impressed.

Call me an intellectual snob, but in an app where most guys couldn’t be bothered to type full words, a profile that contained a complete sentence was a refreshing.

Over the next few hours, in between my two loads of laundry and meal prepping, we messaged about the weekend, our careers and future plans. He told me he had a Masters of Economics from a university in Canada. I told him about my work as a junior doctor: I’m training to be a psychiatrist, I told him. There’s so much we don’t know about the brain.

His response was short, You’re such a sweet girl.

Okay. I didn’t think having to engage with severely drug-affected patients at 4am on a regular basis allowed anyone to be sweet. A worm of irritation slinked into my chest.

Where are you from? he asked.

Sydney.

I mean what are you?

I sighed and tapped, I’m Vietnamese-Australian.

I went to Vietnam two years ago. I loved the culture. You are gai dep.

I suddenly felt cold and still. Calmly and measuredly, I wrote, Don’t you think you should like a girl for their individual merit?

I put the phone down, tense. My first thoughts about Justin had been wrong. He was now scoring very highly on how to piss me off with the least number of characters in the shortest amount of time. I had chosen to tell him about my career, to which I had dedicated eight years of my life, simply for it to be summarised as “sweet”. I doubted that if I had been a white woman or a white man, he would have used the same description.

Being sweet and docile is an image that prevails about Asian women in Western culture. A Google search of “Asian women” will bring up multiple opinion articles from (mostly white) men telling other men to date Asian women over women from other races because we are more soft-spoken and traditional (Asian Woman Planet, Global Seducer, Love Compass). These men sprout pseudoscientific explanations for this image, claiming that we have higher oestrogen levels, meaning we also look younger and smaller and are biologically more desirable as a result. 

He was now scoring very highly on how to piss me off with the least number of characters in the shortest amount of time.

The flipside of the docile Asian stereotype is evident in the flashing dating ads that adorn the sides of these articles: East-Asian women smiling demurely at the camera, a contradictory message that Asian women are hypersexual objects: exotic, erotic, commodified. This fetish is a particularly sensitive subject for Vietnamese women which goes back to the Vietnam War: our mothers and grandmothers were visible to the West as prostitutes or mistresses to Allied soldiers, notably fictionalised in the musical, Miss Saigon. The stereotype of a publicly docile woman who is a vixen in the bedroom enhances the idea that all Asian women are there for white male consumption.

I remember being 12 and shopping on Oxford Street with my mum. I was shuffling through dresses at a discount clothing store. My legs, bare under my cotton sundress were cold every time the store fan rotated towards me. I smelt the sickly-sweet smell of beer and looked up. Two Caucasian men were looking straight at me. They both had crew cuts and sleeve tattoos that stretched up over their arms. The shorter one had bloodshot blue eyes. “Ni hao ma,” he seethed at me. I stared at him but said nothing. I knew I was safe inside the shop with its security cameras.

“You would look pretty in that dress,” said the taller one, pointing at a yellow dress on the rack.

“You would look pretty in a bikini,” added the short one. Then they casually made their way out of the store.

“What were they saying?” asked my mum in Vietnamese, her voice snappier than usual.

“Nothing,” I replied. “They were just being gross.”

The stereotype of a publicly docile woman who is a vixen in the bedroom enhances the idea that all Asian women are there for white male consumption.

To my surprise, Justin responded to my last Bumble message about an hour later: I just prefer Asians. They have attributes I like – they’re smaller, slimmer. Once again he made me feel sick. “Small” and “slim” for Asian fetishists have pornographic connotations: the fantasy of a small Asian vagina, which is a slight improvement on the “sideways vagina” myth of the nineteenth century.

But can’t a female of any race be small and slim? I messaged back.

It’s just a preference. I don’t know why this is a problem.

Perhaps it was because Justin was well-educated and seemed eloquent, qualities I erroneously linked with being fair-minded – that is to say, not racist or sexist, that I kept trying to argue my case, even though it was past midnight. I was determined to make this white man see.

It is offensive because I am an individual and you have a preference for my race, not me. I’m not just this Asian stereotype that you can pull off the Internet. Furthermore, you used my language without knowing the connotations behind the words.

I have said ‘gai dep’ to lots of women and no one has ever said anything bad about it.

Maybe no one had ever said anything to Justin about it, but here’s what I can tell you, my reader, about it: Gai dep means “beautiful girl”. Gai generally means “girl” or “female” but in Vietnamese the meaning is derived from context. Gai on its own has connotations of the sex industry. In Vietnam, men met gai in bars where they sat on their laps and sweet-talked them, unbeknownst to their wives at home. Gai dep is also an affectionate term that my grandfather called his daughters because they were always little girls to him, short for con gai or “female child”. All this and more, which was too complicated to explain to Justin via dating app. I can’t even, I wrote.

It’s late and I don’t want to argue about this all night, he replied. Let’s agree to disagree about this and not let it get in the way of our relationship.

Blocked.

Lieu Chi Nguyen is a Vietnamese-Australian writer from Western Sydney. She is currently developing a collection of ghost stories for The Big Black Thing: Chapter. 3 (Sweatshop)

The article is part of a collaborative series by SBS Voices and Sweatshop: Western Sydney Literacy Movement which is devoted to empowering groups and individuals from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds through training and employment in creative and critical writing initiatives. Sweatshop is directed by Michael Mohammed Ahmad.

The Swiping Game: What Is Yellow Fever?can be streamed at SBS On Demand. It is also available in Chinese.

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When Asian Women Are Harassed for Marrying Non-Asian Men

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The men who harass me know three things: I’m Chinese-American, my husband is white, and ourson is multiracial. You hate Asian men, they insist; you hate your own child. You hate yourself. I once received 27 tweets — calling me everything from “irrelevant” to “liar” to “coward” to “neglectful gaslighting mother” — in 48 hours, from one person. I save these messages in a folder on my computer to document the abuse. Whenever I upgrade my laptop, I copy them over, little packets of poison I must keep and carry forever.

I’ve gotten messages like this for more than four years, ever since my first novel — featuring a family with an Asian father and a white mother — was published and my own mixed family became public knowledge. But this message arrived in August — #AsianAugust, some were calling it, because of the huge success of Asian-centered films like Crazy Rich Asians, Searching, and To All the Boys I’ve Loved Before.It was a moment when Asian-Americans were celebrating as a community, yet here was a hate message plummeting out of the blue into my inbox.And like most of the harassing messages I receive, it came from an Asian man.

In frustration, I shared the message on Twitter, and most people were appalled. I’d thought I was alone, or just unlucky, but as I spoke to other women — 13 for this piece — I realized it wasn’t just me. Targeted harassment from Asian-American men toward Asian-American women over choosing a non-Asian partner or having multiracial children, I discovered, is widespread, vicious, and devastating. We tell kids, “Ignore bullies and they’ll go away,” but the thing about ignoring bullies is that even if they leave you alone, they find other targets.

For instance, actress Hana Wu was targeted on Twitter after she tweeted a film trailer in which her character has a relationship with a white man, and she soon began receiving misogynistic messages on Instagram.

On Reddit, users speculate freely about Asian women’s sexual relationships. “Perhaps she settled for a black guy because she couldn’t snag a white boyfriend?” suggests a thread on writer Jenn Fang, who is the founder of the Asian-American blog Reappropriate — and is married to a black man. Another reads: “She probably dated a village of White guys before she dated the black guy to be ‘edgy’ and further her SJW career.”

Hateful language is also directed at the women’s multiracial children. Sometimes it’s direct and horrific: Writer Christine Tan — whose husband is white and whose son is multiracial — received the following email via her personal blog, a few months after suffering a miscarriage. Here’s just the first half of the message.

Other times, the implied violence is more subtle. About half the women I spoke with shared messages in which harassers called their children (or hypothetical children) “the next Elliot Rodger.” Elliot Rodger was a 22-year-old who killed 6 people and wounded 14 others near the UC Santa Barbara campus in 2014 — leaving behind a “manifesto” blaming his mixed-race heritage and rejection by women as his motive — and the harassers invoke his name frequently as an argument against interracial dating and multiracial children.

The volume and venom of these messages has real-world consequences for these women. They told me they reduced their internet presence afterward — making it harder to share their work and get new work. Some writers told me they shied away from writing about race, relationships, or identity. Some quit altogether.

Although the messages come from many users, one particular subgroup on Reddit seems to be the root for most of this harassment. Writers Mimi Wong, journalist Clarissa Wei, and the vast majority of women I spoke to for this piece (including me) were all targeted after being highlighted on “AZNidentity” — which frequently calls out Asian women its members disapprove of.

Officially, AZNidentity describes itself as “a Pan Asian (East, Southeast, South, Central) community against all forms of anti Asian racism.” Though some of the posts on the forum do focus on Asian identity and fighting racism, on the day I checked, 18 of the 30 most recent posts — and 20 of the 30 top posts of all time — explicitlydiscussedAsianwomen’schoiceofsexualpartners. Derogatory and misogynistic language is common: “Lu,” “self-hating AF” [Asian female], “colonial mentality,” “white worshipping.” On this board, all these terms are used liberally, and virtually interchangeably, to denigrate Asian women thought to be ashamed of Asian culture. Almost always, the “proof” is that they have relationships with non-Asian men.

They are linked by a common ideology: a belief that Asian women shouldn’t date outside their race–and that as Asian men, they have the right to voice this opinion through toxic harassment.

On Twitter, some refer to this type of misogynist harasser as “MRAsians,” because their behavior resembles that of so-called “Men’s Rights Activists”: anti-feminist, threatened by women’s power, and preoccupied with men’s perceived disempowerment. There are also echoes of the incel movement, in which men see their “involuntary celibacy” as the root of their struggles and view women as a commodity. The men harassing Asian women about their interracial relationships may not all know each other, but they are linked by a common ideology: a belief that Asian women shouldn’t date outside their race — and that as Asian men, they have the right to voice this opinion through toxic harassment.

But the outlook of the Asian men behind messages — and posts — like those above also echoes another group: white supremacists. A startling number of posts on subreddits like AZNidentity, as well as harassing messages on social media, use language like “cultural genocide” and “eugenics.”

Asian men face long-standing stereotypes that they’re socially awkward, unmasculine, or sexually unattractive, and these perceptions often put them at a disadvantage, from academics to work to dating apps. From theirposts, it’s clear that Asian men like those on AZNidentity believe they’re fighting a constant battle against a culture that’s out to get them.

To this community, it’s a scarcity model: Asian women who succeed are accused of succeeding “at the expense of” Asian men. The worst scarcity, they believe, is in the dating pool: Asian women who “marry out” are perpetuating the stereotype that Asian men are undesirable. (The reverse, however, is not true — relationships between Asian men and white women are celebrated, with AZNidentity even crowdfundinga porno based on such a couple.) Asian women who have mixed children, it’s assumed, will raise them to prefer non-Asians, perpetuatingthe cycle.

If Asian men lose out in jobs and in dating, the logic goes, the result will be the extinctionof Asian men — in cultural relevance, and possibly literally. Thus, in the eyes of these men, interracial relationships and multiracial children are “eugenics” — selectively “breeding” Asian men out of existence — but inter-Asian marrying to create “pure” Asians, as they put it, is commendable.

There’s a range of behavior from men who engage in this harassment on Reddit, Twitter, and other channels. The problem is that even legitimate concerns end up entwined with these more extreme views. Some of the men on these forums argue that they are overlooked culturally and that Asian women’s activism sidelines them — a point that the Asian community can and should civilly discuss further. However, most speak not about cultural representation and activism, but about what they perceive as a dearth of dating opportunities for Asian men. The most toxic posts come from men who argue for racial purity and refer to Asian women as if they are commodities rather than people. Yet men all along this spectrum of opinions engage in similar harassing behavior, using similar misogynistic language and similar bullying tactics — and placing the blame for the entire array of complaints squarely on Asian women.

Read even a small sample of messages and you’ll notice they focus overwhelmingly on who an Asian woman chooses (or doesn’t choose) as a sexual partner. While Asian men in interracial relationships face this as well — Eddie Huang has tweeted, “my dm box and LIFE is full of azn women that come at me for having dated non-Asian women and its foul” — the harassment is directed almost exclusively, and most viciously, at Asian women in relationships with non-Asian men.

I know this all too well myself. These harassers frequently brand me “self-hating” and accuse me of “hating Asian men” — because I have a white husband, and because of a tweet I posted years ago in which I acknowledged I wasn’t always attracted to Asian men.

They have a valid complaint here: My tweet fedinto those stereotypes that Asian men are unsexy, and when people pointed this out, I rethought my own biases. Growing up, the only Asians I knew were my cousins — so, as I admitted, when I see Asian men, my first instinctive feeling is often kinship rather than sexual attraction. This is a shortcoming in me, not them, and it’s something I’ve worked — and am still working — to unlearn.

But though I’ve addressed this topic multipletimes, it doesn’t matter to the harassers. They send a screenshot of that tweet repeatedly at me and anyone who tries to support me, passing the .jpg along on Reddit like a shared baseball bat for anyone who wants to take a swing.

In their messages, these harassers often claim Asian women don’t care about the issues facing Asian men, or even that they believe the stereotypes. But for the women I interviewed, the opposite was true. Nearly every woman acknowledged how hard it was to be an Asian man.

“I will fight anyone who wants to emasculate Asian men,” YA author Ellen Oh wrote me. “But I won’t do it at the expense of misogynistic hate toward my sisters. There are many enlightened Asian males out there who are able to see that Asian women who promote women’s rights, including the right to date and marry whoever the hell they want, are not the enemy.”

Several women had hesitated to speak publicly about the harassment, fearing it would make Asian men look bad. “It’s family matters,” several said.

Harassers often claim Asian women don’t care about the issues facing Asian men, or even that they believe the stereotypes. But for the women I interviewed, the opposite was true. Nearly every woman acknowledged how hard it was to be an Asian man.

I worry, too: that revealing this harassment will make the Asian community look weak when we’re finally making strides in representation. The instinct to close ranks is incredibly strong, instilled in me since childhood by my proudly Chinese-American parents, and by generations of cultural tradition that says: Don’t show weakness to outsiders.

But though these women still felt some solidarity with their harassers — family matters — that feeling is one-way. Even women who explicitly support Asian men can be targeted by this group if their support is deemed insufficient. Nancy Wang Yuen, a professor of sociology at Biola University, was harassed because she advocated for others inaddition to Asian men. “Her posts become about other POC [people of color], often not even Asian,” a Reddit post complains. “I have to scroll pages to see one comment on her speaking to anything about Asian men.”

Many people don’t know this harassment is happening, but even those who do often stay silent. Few Asian men speak out, knowing that the harassers turn on anyone who displeases them. One woman said a prominent Asian man privately gave her advice about harassment, but he said he would get heat if he got involved directly. In another case, when an Asian man tweeted against the harassment of an Asian woman, the harassers contacted his workplace and asked to have him fired. Still others refuse to believe that the harassment is real: After I shared examples of harassment, some people tried to convince me that a white person sent the message to stir up intra-Asian infighting. This could be a very long con — but it seems unlikely.

Officially reporting the harassment often leads nowhere, leading many women to stay silent. When I made reports to Twitter and Reddit, I received no response, and local police said the messages were deplorable but didn’t reach the level of criminal harassment.

Despite fear of reprisal, however, many Asian women have begun to speak about the targeted harassment they’ve experienced, and several prominent Asian men, such as Phil Yu of the blog Angry Asian Man, writer Jonny Sun, Eddie Huang, and Arthur Chu have recently denounced this behavior, too. With no official recourse, the best way to combat this type of harassment may be bringing it into the open — with the entire Asian community, men included, speaking against it wherever it occurs. Asians are not a monolith; we will inevitably disagree on particular opinions or pieces of work. But empathy and thoughtful conversation must be the goal, and the entire Asian community must work together to end the misogynist harassment that prevents it. It is, in this way, a family matter: We have to support each other.

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Lillian, a young Asian American woman, was fed up with the flurry of fetishizing messages white men were sending her on Tinder. In 2017, she decided to create a meme Instagram account to show how men would slide into her inbox with remarks such as “I want to try my first Asian woman” or “I need my yellow fever cured.”

After more uncomfortable matches on the online dating app, Lillian used the account to speak out about the fetishization and intersection of racism and sexism that Asian women like her often face in real life. “I began to realize that these interactions on Tinder matched up with my lived experience of being an Asian woman,” she told Vice’s Broadly in 2018, “and I realized I could use this platform to talk about those experiences — and help others find validation through them, too.” Although Lillian stopped posting that same year, the account still has more than 19,000 followers, many of whom are Asian women who have commented on similar experiences of being sexualized.

For Asian women, the Atlanta spa shootings hit close to home. When Robert Aaron Long — the white 21-year-old gunman who was arrested on Tuesday and charged with the killing of eight people, six of whom were Asian women — told the police he had a “sex addiction” and that the spas were a “temptation he wanted to eliminate,” many were also quick to note the intersections between racism, misogyny, and racial fetishization. The stumbles of authorities and media outlets in distinguishing spas from massage parlors (the latter of which have a connotation of prostitution and sexualization) also showed that people were already viewing the case with certain tropes in mind without engaging in the vulnerable realities these workers face.

As Vox’s Li Zhou reported, Long’s statement about his “temptation” speaks to the longstanding stereotypes about not just the businesses, but also “Asian American women who have been exoticized and fetishized as sexual partners as far back as the 1800s,” Zhou writes.

Even before the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which banned Chinese immigrants from becoming US citizens, the US had passed the Page Act of 1875, which ultimately banned the importation of Asian women, who were feared to be engaging in prostitution in the country, whether they were or not. And while many scholars point to different origins of Eastern fetishization, film scholar Celine Parreñas Shimizu, author of the book The Hypersexuality of Race, says the emergence of films and artwork after US-led wars in Asian countries is when the trope of the hypersexual but docile Asian woman really took hold in America.

With Asian women, “there’s this construction of a being for others, and a being for the white man, usually, that were in these drawings and films and other cultural materials, that really extends to the way that we are capable of giving voice to this gunman who says that he was ‘sexually addicted to the temptations’ that [these Asian workers] offered,” Parreñas Shimizutold Vox. Meanwhile, “the Asian women who were killed were essentially silenced.”

I spoke with Shimizu about the history of fetishizing Asian women and how it translates to the shooting in Atlanta. Our interview has been edited and condensed for length and clarity.

Rachel Ramirez

People seem quick to want to label the motives of the Atlanta shootings with one definitive answer — it’s racism, it’s misogyny, or it’s “sex addiction,” as the shooter claimed. But it’s much more complicated than one thing. How do you see it?

Celine Parreñas Shimizu

This particular event of Asian American women who work in a place that’s been attributed to sex work really hit me hard, because I’m a scholar that studies the representations and lives of Asian and Asian American women who are sex workers.

So for me, I could see their image and their identities catapulted into the national stage in a way that made it clear how much we lacked knowledge of how they got there. Why are they working there? Who are they? Are they immigrant women? What are their circumstances? What I’m thinking about is how their death has led to further silencing and burial — and how this killing has led to the amplification of the gunman’s voice and the simplification of a “sex addiction,” which further dehumanizes and decontextualizes the Asian women.

Rachel Ramirez

Talk to me more about this silencing and the intersection of a vulnerability and stigma of these workers. The shooter called these spas “a temptation he wanted to eliminate.” What comes to mind when you hear these words?

Celine Parreñas Shimizu

So the arrival of Asian American women can really be captured as a genital event: The Page Act of 1875 reflected the fear of Chinese women as a source of contaminating sexuality. That they were possibly prostitutes.

That they were possibly going to introduce a polyamorous way of life into the United States at a time when there was a growing influx of Asians to the country. If you look at that law, it’s revealing that race has always been tied to gender and sexual difference. That there’s a fear of genital sex, and that there’s a fear of new kinds of sexual culture that these racialized women were representing.

At the same time, there was also the beginning of a mass circulation of Asian women in plays; for example, The Good Woman of Szechuan in the 1880s, Madame Butterflyin 1904. These cultural productions were occurring at a time of Asian encounters with the West and Western invasions of Asia.

There was a production in the circulation of Asian women as sexually different and sexually excessive. They love you so much that they are going to be blinded [to] your lack of regard and how that love is not reciprocated. It’s such a maddening, scary love and sex and feeling and desire that is contained in an Asian woman’s body. So this is going on in history, in the law, and this is going on in popular culture.

When I hear those words, that the Asian women at those spas were “temptations” that he wanted to eliminate, it really captures the legacy of the history and the law and popular culture constructions of Asian women — that they are the vessels of excessive sexuality. For me, it captures producing otherness and the alienation and object status. It’s really a dehumanizing move.

Rachel Ramirez

You mention The Good Woman of Szechuan and Madame Butterfly— is it with this kind of representation in art that the Western fetishization of Asian women really takes off?

Celine Parreñas Shimizu

My first book, The Hypersexuality of Race, chose to begin with Miss Saigon in 1989, which continues and really was one of the most lucrative Broadway productions. I wanted to begin there, because I was so arrested by the repetition of the same story — like what is so appealing about an Asian woman who loves a white man so much that she will choose to kill herself and give up her child and give it to him?

That was from 1904, so it’s really almost 100 years, and it wasn’t just repeated in Miss Saigon; there were other incarnations of it, like in the movies of Anna May Wong. One of her first films, Toll of the Sea, was the same story in 1920. So my book really concentrates on about 100 years of that repetition. Why are we addicted to that story? What is so arousing and pleasurable about that construction? Who does it serve? It isn’t a happy romance; the man and woman’s intimacy are torn apart. In the end, it’s revealed that she has no value, that she is unimportant.

I don’t know where fetishization began. I think there are many stories that we don’t know about, regarding the colonial encounter between Asia and the West. But what I do know is that the hierarchy of value when we enter that relationship between a white man and an Asian woman, whether it’s in the context of the military-industrial complex.

One recent story is the one of Jennifer Laude, the trans Filipinx sex worker, who was killed by an American GI in the Philippines. But the United States protected him as soon as he was pronounced guilty; they shuffled him out of the Philippine courthouse, and he was never imprisoned in the Philippines.

Most recently, President [Rodrigo] Duterte pardoned him. The movement of trans Filipinx women who mobilized in order to say her name — and to make sure that her story did not get buried — tell us that the status of Filipinx trans women sex workers reflects the colonial relationship between the Philippines and the United States and the power inequalities between the countries.

Rachel Ramirez

I want to stay on this, because I am also thinking of the massive US military presence in Asian countries — particularly in Vietnam, the Philippines, Korea, and Japan — and the immediate colonization of not just the lands but of Asian women’s bodies. That Asian women’s bodies are for Western men’s taking.

How does this translate to the events in Atlanta, particularly that the suspect insinuated he wanted to eliminate these spas because he couldn’t control his own addictions?

Celine Parreñas Shimizu

My research on The Hypersexuality of Race included uncovering some photographs that I found of women, photographs of the places where they worked, where they were enslaved, essentially. There were makeshift beds and a pile of towels to aid them in cleaning themselves — and there were cartoon images that attributed the slanted vagina onto Asian women.

There was pornography that eroticized the relationship between the war brides coming back to the US after the Korean War, for example. And this was the first time that Asian women were in pornography that I saw, versus white women in yellowface. They were romanticizing the compatibility of a docile war bride, as an ideal American wife, because she was sexually servile but also a domestic servant.

There’s this construction of a being for others and a being for the white man, usually, that were in these drawings and films and other cultural materials, that really extends to the way that we are capable of giving voice to this gunman who says that he was “sexually addicted to the temptations” that they offered, and how the Asian women who were killed were essentially silenced.

It’s stunning, too, that there’s still this innocence that’s being projected onto a man who killed so many people. How can that innocence not shatter? And how come that person is given the microphone in order to continue this narrative that relegates this sexuality that drives white men crazy? To say that these women hold in their bodies temptations that he can’t resist, and using that as a reason to justify their killing.

Rachel Ramirez

As you mention, on one hand, Asian women are stereotyped as hypersexual; on the other, they are also seen as “submissive” or “docile.” In fact, there was a study done in 2013, which basically found that Asian women are the most “desirable” racial group among white men and other races. How have these two different stereotypes contributed to Asian women being not just objectified but seen by white men as a more “desirable” race?

Celine Parreñas Shimizu

The polar way we understand gender as virginal equals good or hypersexual equals bad is particularly a prison for Asian American women, because representations in between are hardly in the movies or are hardly around.

So whenever we appear, we must contend with the inheritance of excessive sexuality, where you have to say I am not that, and in the act of saying I am not that, it’s easier to go toward the place that says I am a good woman without that scary sexuality. So, it does not allow for Asian American women to define their own sexuality, which would most likely be in the vast expanse of the middle. We really have to live with those scary and very limited polar opposites.

Rachel Ramirez

Yes, it seems there is little imagination of Asian women outside of the binary subservient and overtly sexual. Relatedly, there has been some hesitancy to talk about the possibility of these spas in the Atlanta shooting being places of sex work. While we don’t know much about the victims and would never want to assume or lean into stereotypes, are we also ignoring an important vulnerability these women faced, even if by connotation alone, one that is made worse the more we stigmatize it?

Celine Parreñas Shimizu

I definitely think that this must be an opportunity for us to educate on the plight of vulnerable, poor, working women in every industry, including the sex industry. While we don’t know if there were indeed sexual transactions, what we do know is it is really important to highlight questions like: Are these women safe at work? What are their conditions of work? How can we improve them, so that they are not any longer some of the most vulnerable in our society?

I do see this definitely as an opportunity for us to educate ourselves on the plight that led these women to work there. And also how there is the accepted linkage between Asian and Asian American women and the sex industry, due to the various wars in Asia and the non-accidental ways that the cities and towns that flank the US military bases had a prostitution industry that was supported by the US military-industrial complex. We cannot normalize our ignorance around the conditions in which these women live and work. This is definitely an opportunity to improve their situations by finding out more about what we can do to help.

Rachel Ramirez

In your book, The Hypersexuality of Race, you encourage a shift in thinking about the way Asian women are sexually depicted. How canpeople move beyond that negative perception of Asian women as submissive sexual objects that have no agency? How should we be thinking about the nuance of Asian women and how does that nuance keep them safe?

Celine Parreñas Shimizu

Sexuality is a part of all of our lives — whether we love it or are ambivalent about it or don’t want to participate in it. It can be a great life-giving source of physical and psychic pleasure of which we should not be deprived, if we wish to participate in it.

One fear that I have, in looking at over 100 years of representing Asian and Asian American women as a source of excessive sexuality, is that Asian American women should be encouraged to do the work of defining their sexuality in the face of this heavy truck that is trying to tell them that they are a particular way.

I concluded my book with a respectful, interrogative celebration of how Asian American women are using film precisely to explore their sexualities — and, of course, it includes their victimization, as well as their empowerment through sexuality.

We need to acknowledge this huge systemic force that relegates us into a particular kind of sexual role in society. We must take it in our own hands and really centralize our experiences and follow the lead of our foremothers, including Asian American women who worked in Hollywood and Broadway.

I do hope that we can look at the way Asian American women — whether actors, activists, or scholars — have confronted this infliction of perversity and not run away from our own sexualities, and really use it as a force, not only to feel good for ourselves, but as an opportunity to capture how we are not yet free and that we have so much possibility to create new narratives about ourselves.

Why did the killer keep going back to those spas? Why did these women continue to deepen into an object status for him? There’s a pornography to this whole thing in terms of what he chose to see about them, and how he chose to narrate that encounter, in a way that continues their devaluation, so that in his mind, in his actions, their lives were not worth living or saving but instead had to be extinguished.

The long history of brutalization of Asian American women has been a part of this country inside and outside it. We need to question our capacity of repressing those stories — and instead, we need to cultivate the need to hear about them and to know them.

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    When Asian Women Are Harassed for Marrying Non-Asian Men

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    The men who harass me know three things: I’m Chinese-American, my husband is white, and ourson is multiracial. You hate Asian men, they insist; you hate your own child. You hate yourself. I once received 27 tweets — calling me everything from bikini brides dating site to “liar” to “coward” to “neglectful gaslighting mother” — in 48 hours, from one person. I save these messages in a folder on my computer to document the abuse. Whenever I upgrade my laptop, I copy them over, little packets of poison I must keep and carry forever.

    I’ve gotten messages like this for more than four years, ever since my first novel — featuring a family with an Asian father and a white mother — was published and my own mixed family became public knowledge. But this message arrived in August — #AsianAugust, some were calling it, because of the huge success of Asian-centered films like Crazy Rich Asians, Searching, and To All the Boys I’ve Loved Before.It was a moment when Asian-Americans were celebrating as a community, yet here was a hate message plummeting out of the blue into my inbox.And like most of the harassing messages I receive, it came from an Asian man.

    In frustration, I shared the message on Twitter, dating an asian girl reddit, and most people were appalled. I’d thought I was alone, or just unlucky, but as I spoke to other women — 13 for this piece — I realized it wasn’t just me. Targeted harassment from Asian-American men toward Asian-American women over choosing a non-Asian partner or having multiracial children, I discovered, is widespread, vicious, and devastating. We tell kids, “Ignore bullies and they’ll go away,” but the thing about ignoring bullies is that even if they leave you alone, they find other targets.

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    Hateful language is also directed at the women’s multiracial children. Sometimes it’s direct and horrific: Writer Christine Tan — whose husband is white and whose son is multiracial — received the following email via her personal blog, dating an asian girl reddit, a few months after suffering a miscarriage. Here’s just the first half of the message.

    Other times, the implied violence is more subtle. About half the women I spoke with shared messages in which harassers called their children (or hypothetical children) “the next Elliot Rodger.” Elliot Rodger was a 22-year-old who killed 6 people and wounded 14 others near the UC Santa Barbara campus in 2014 — leaving behind a “manifesto” blaming his mixed-race heritage and rejection by women as his motive — and the harassers invoke his name frequently as an argument against interracial dating and multiracial children.

    The volume and venom of these messages has real-world consequences for these women. They told me they reduced their dating an asian girl reddit presence afterward — making it harder to share their work and get new work. Some writers told me they shied away from writing about race, relationships, or identity. Some quit altogether.

    Although the messages come from many users, one particular subgroup dating an asian girl reddit Reddit seems dating an asian girl reddit be the root for most of this harassment. Writers Mimi Wong, journalist Clarissa Wei, and the vast majority of women I spoke to for this piece (including me) were all targeted after being highlighted on “AZNidentity” — which frequently calls out Asian women its members disapprove of.

    Officially, AZNidentity describes itself as “a Pan Asian (East, Southeast, South, dating an asian girl reddit, Central) community against all forms dating an asian girl reddit anti Asian racism.” Though some of the posts on the forum do focus on Asian identity and fighting french men dating, on the day I checked, 18 of the 30 most recent posts — and 20 of the 30 top posts of all time — explicitlydiscussedAsianwomen’schoiceofsexualpartners, dating an asian girl reddit. Derogatory and misogynistic language is common: “Lu,” “self-hating AF” [Asian female], “colonial mentality,” “white worshipping.” On this board, all these terms are used liberally, and virtually interchangeably, to denigrate Asian women thought to be ashamed of Asian culture. Almost always, the “proof” is that they have relationships with non-Asian men.

    They are linked by a common ideology: a belief that Asian women shouldn’t date outside their race–and that as Asian men, they have the right to voice this opinion through toxic harassment.

    On Twitter, some totally free local dating to this type of misogynist harasser as “MRAsians,” because their behavior resembles that of so-called “Men’s Rights Activists”: anti-feminist, threatened by women’s power, and preoccupied with men’s perceived disempowerment. There are also echoes of the incel movement, in which men see their “involuntary celibacy” as the root of their struggles and view women as a commodity. The men harassing Asian women about their interracial relationships may not all know each other, but they are linked by a common ideology: a belief that Asian women shouldn’t date outside their race — and that as Asian men, they have the right to voice this opinion dating an asian girl reddit toxic harassment.

    But the outlook of the Asian men behind messages — and posts — like those above also echoes another group: white supremacists, dating an asian girl reddit. A startling number of posts on subreddits like AZNidentity, as well as harassing messages on social media, use language like “cultural genocide” and “eugenics.”

    Asian men face long-standing stereotypes that they’re socially awkward, unmasculine, or sexually unattractive, and these perceptions often put them at a disadvantage, from academics to work to dating apps. From theirposts, it’s clear that Asian men like those on AZNidentity believe they’re fighting a constant battle against a culture that’s out to get them.

    To this community, it’s a scarcity model: Asian women who succeed are accused of succeeding “at the expense of” Asian men. The worst scarcity, dating an asian girl reddit, they believe, is in the dating pool: Asian women who “marry out” are perpetuating the stereotype that Asian men are undesirable, dating an asian girl reddit. (The reverse, however, is not true — relationships between Asian men and white women are celebrated, with AZNidentity even crowdfundinga porno based on such a couple.) Asian women who have mixed children, it’s assumed, will raise them to prefer non-Asians, perpetuatingthe cycle.

    If Asian men lose out in jobs and in dating, dating an asian girl reddit, the logic goes, the result will be the extinctionof Asian men — in cultural relevance, and possibly literally. Thus, in the eyes of these men, interracial relationships and multiracial children are “eugenics” — selectively “breeding” Asian men out of existence — but inter-Asian marrying to create “pure” Asians, as they put it, is commendable.

    There’s a range of behavior from men who engage in this harassment on Reddit, Twitter, and other channels. The problem is that even legitimate concerns end up entwined with these more extreme views. Some of the men on these forums argue that they are overlooked culturally and that Asian women’s activism sidelines them — a point that the Asian community can and should civilly discuss further. However, most speak not about cultural representation and activism, but about what they perceive as a dearth of dating opportunities dating an asian girl reddit Asian men. The most toxic posts come from men who argue for racial purity and refer to Asian women as if they are commodities rather than people. Yet men all along this spectrum of opinions engage in similar harassing behavior, using similar misogynistic language and similar bullying tactics — and placing the blame for the entire array of complaints squarely on Asian women.

    Read even a small sample of messages and you’ll notice they focus overwhelmingly on who an Asian woman chooses (or doesn’t choose) as a sexual partner. While Asian men in interracial relationships face this as well — Eddie Huang has tweeted, “my dm box and LIFE is full of azn women that come at me for having dated non-Asian women and its who is 4 from black ink chicago dating — the harassment is directed almost exclusively, and most viciously, at Asian women in relationships with non-Asian men.

    I know this all too well myself. These harassers frequently brand me “self-hating” and accuse me of “hating Asian men” — because I have a white husband, and because of a tweet I posted years ago in which I acknowledged I wasn’t always attracted to Asian men.

    They have a valid complaint here: My tweet fedinto those stereotypes that Asian men are unsexy, and when people pointed this out, I rethought my own biases. Growing up, the only Asians I knew were my cousins — so, as I admitted, when I see Asian men, my first instinctive feeling is often kinship rather than sexual attraction. This is a shortcoming in me, not them, and it’s something I’ve worked — and am still working — to unlearn.

    But though I’ve addressed this topic multipletimes, it doesn’t matter to the harassers, dating an asian girl reddit. They send a screenshot of that tweet repeatedly at me and anyone who tries to support me, passing the .jpg along on Reddit like a shared baseball bat for anyone who wants to take a swing.

    In their messages, these harassers often claim Asian women don’t care about the issues facing Asian men, or even that they believe the stereotypes. But for the women I interviewed, the opposite was true. Nearly every woman acknowledged how hard it was to be an Asian man.

    “I will fight anyone who wants to emasculate Asian men,” YA author Ellen Oh wrote me. “But I won’t do it at the expense of misogynistic hate toward my sisters. There are many enlightened Asian males out there who are able to see that Asian women who promote women’s rights, including the right to date and marry whoever the hell they want, are not the enemy.”

    Several women had hesitated to speak publicly about the harassment, fearing it would make Asian men look bad. “It’s family matters,” several said.

    Harassers often claim Asian women don’t care about the issues facing Asian men, or even that they believe the stereotypes. But for the women I interviewed, the opposite was true. Nearly every woman acknowledged how hard it was to be an Asian man.

    I worry, too: that revealing this harassment will make the Asian community look weak when we’re finally making strides in representation. The instinct to close ranks is incredibly strong, instilled in me since childhood by my proudly Chinese-American parents, and by generations of cultural tradition that says: Don’t show weakness to outsiders.

    But though these women still felt some solidarity with their harassers — family matters — that feeling is one-way. Even women who explicitly support Asian men can be targeted by this group if their support is deemed insufficient. Nancy Wang Yuen, a professor of sociology at Biola University, was harassed because she advocated for others inaddition to Asian men. “Her posts become about other POC [people of color], often not even Asian,” a Reddit post complains. “I have to scroll pages to see one comment on her speaking to anything about Asian men.”

    Many people don’t know this harassment is happening, but even those who do often stay silent. Few Asian men speak out, knowing that the harassers turn on anyone who displeases them. One woman said a prominent Asian man privately gave her advice about harassment, but he said he would get heat if he got involved directly. In another case, when an Asian man tweeted against the harassment of an Asian woman, the harassers contacted his workplace and asked to have him fired. Still others refuse to believe that the harassment is real: After I shared examples of harassment, some people tried to convince me that a white person sent the message to stir up intra-Asian infighting. This could be a very long con — but it seems unlikely.

    Officially reporting the harassment often leads nowhere, leading many women to stay silent. When I made reports to Twitter and Reddit, I received no response, and local police said the messages were deplorable but didn’t reach the level of criminal harassment.

    Despite fear of reprisal, however, many Asian women have begun to speak about the targeted harassment they’ve experienced, and several prominent Asian men, such as Phil Yu of the blog Angry Asian Man, writer Jonny Sun, Eddie Huang, and Arthur Chu have recently denounced this behavior, too. With no official recourse, the best way to combat this type of harassment may be bringing it into the open — with the entire Asian community, men included, speaking against it wherever it occurs. Dating an asian girl reddit are not a monolith; we will inevitably disagree on particular opinions or pieces of work. But empathy and thoughtful conversation must be the goal, dating an asian girl reddit, and the entire Asian community must work together to end the misogynist harassment that prevents it. It is, in this way, a family matter: We have to support each other.

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    Lillian, a young Asian American woman, was fed up with the flurry of fetishizing messages white men were sending her on Tinder. In 2017, she decided to create a meme Instagram account to show how men would slide into her inbox with remarks such as “I want to try my first Asian woman” or “I need my yellow fever cured.”

    After more uncomfortable matches on the online dating app, Lillian used the account to speak out about the fetishization and intersection of racism and sexism that Asian women like her often face in real life. “I began to realize that these interactions on Tinder matched up with my lived experience of being an Asian woman,” she told Vice’s Broadly in 2018, “and I realized I could use this platform to talk about those experiences — and help others find validation through them, too.” Although Lillian stopped posting that same year, the account still has more than 19,000 followers, many of whom are Asian women who have commented on similar experiences of being sexualized.

    For Asian women, the Atlanta spa shootings hit close to home. When Robert Aaron Long — the white 21-year-old gunman who was arrested on Tuesday and charged with the killing of eight people, dating an asian girl reddit, six of whom were Asian women — told the police he had a “sex addiction” and that the spas were a “temptation he wanted to eliminate,” many were also quick to note the intersections between racism, misogyny, and racial fetishization. The stumbles of authorities and media outlets in distinguishing spas from massage parlors (the latter of which have a connotation of prostitution and sexualization) also showed that people were already viewing the case with certain tropes in mind without engaging in the vulnerable realities these workers face.

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    Even before the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which banned Chinese immigrants from becoming US citizens, the US had passed the Page Act of 1875, which christian dating free banned the importation of Asian women, who were feared to be engaging in prostitution in the country, whether they were or not. And while many scholars point to different origins of Eastern fetishization, film scholar Celine Parreñas Shimizu, author of the book The Hypersexuality of Race, says the emergence of hebrew roots dating sites and artwork after US-led wars in Asian countries is when the trope of the hypersexual but docile Asian woman really took hold in America.

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    I spoke with Shimizu about the history of fetishizing Asian women and how it translates to the shooting in Atlanta. Our interview has been edited and condensed for length and clarity.

    Rachel Ramirez

    People seem quick to want to label the motives of the Atlanta shootings with one definitive answer — it’s racism, it’s misogyny, or it’s “sex addiction,” as the shooter claimed. But it’s much more complicated than one thing. How do you see it?

    Celine Parreñas Shimizu

    This particular event of Asian American women who work in a place that’s been attributed to sex work really hit me hard, because I’m a scholar that studies the representations and lives dating an asian girl reddit Asian and Asian American women who are sex workers.

    So for me, I could see their image and their identities catapulted into the national stage in a way that made it clear how much we lacked knowledge of how they got there. Why are they working there? Who are they? Are they immigrant women? What are their circumstances? What I’m thinking about is how their death has led to further silencing and burial — and how this killing has led to the amplification of the gunman’s voice and the simplification of a “sex addiction,” which further dehumanizes and decontextualizes the Asian women.

    Rachel Ramirez

    Talk to me more about this silencing and the intersection of a vulnerability and stigma of these workers. The shooter called these spas “a temptation he wanted to eliminate.” What comes to mind when you hear these words?

    Celine Parreñas Shimizu

    So the arrival of Asian American women can really be captured as a genital event: The Page Act of 1875 reflected the fear of Chinese women as a source of contaminating sexuality. That they were possibly prostitutes.

    That they were possibly going to introduce a polyamorous way of life into the United States at a time when there was a growing influx of Asians to the country. If you look at that law, it’s revealing that race has always been tied to gender and sexual difference. That there’s a fear of genital sex, dating an asian girl reddit, and that there’s a fear of new kinds of sexual culture that these racialized women were representing.

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    When I hear those words, that the Asian women at those spas were “temptations” that he wanted to eliminate, dating an asian girl reddit, it really captures the legacy of the history and the law and popular culture constructions of Asian women — that they are the vessels of excessive sexuality. For me, dating an asian girl reddit, it captures producing otherness and the alienation and object status. It’s really a dehumanizing move.

    Rachel Ramirez

    You mention The Good Woman of Szechuan and Madame Butterfly— is it with this kind of representation in art that the Western fetishization of Asian women really takes off?

    Celine Parreñas Shimizu

    My first book, The Hypersexuality of Race, chose to begin with Miss Saigon in 1989, which continues and really was one of the most lucrative Broadway productions. I wanted to begin there, because I was so arrested by the repetition of the same story — like what is so appealing about an Asian woman who loves a white man so much that she will choose to kill herself and give up her child and give it to him?

    That was from 1904, so it’s really almost 100 years, and it wasn’t just repeated in Miss Saigon; there were other incarnations of it, like in the movies of Anna May Wong. One of her first films, Toll of the Sea, was the same story in 1920. So my book really concentrates on about 100 years of that repetition, dating an asian girl reddit. Why are we addicted to that story? What is so arousing and pleasurable about that construction? Who does it serve? It isn’t a happy romance; the man and woman’s intimacy are torn apart. In the end, it’s revealed that she has no value, that she is unimportant.

    I don’t know where fetishization began. I think there are many stories that we don’t know about, regarding the colonial encounter between Asia and the West. But what I do know is that the hierarchy of value when we enter that relationship between a white man and an Asian woman, whether it’s in the context of the military-industrial complex.

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    I want to stay on this, because I am also thinking of the massive US military presence in Asian countries — particularly in Vietnam, the Philippines, Korea, and Dating an asian girl reddit — and the immediate colonization of not just the lands but of Asian women’s bodies. That Asian women’s bodies are for Western men’s taking.

    How does this translate to the events in Atlanta, particularly that the suspect insinuated he wanted to eliminate these spas because he couldn’t control his own addictions?

    Celine Parreñas Shimizu

    My research on The Hypersexuality of Race included uncovering some photographs that I found of women, photographs of the places where they worked, where they were enslaved, essentially. There were makeshift beds and a pile of towels to aid them in cleaning themselves — and there were cartoon images that attributed the slanted vagina onto Asian women.

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    There’s this construction of a being for others and a being for the white man, usually, that were in these drawings and films and other cultural materials, that really extends to the way that we are capable of giving voice to this gunman who says that he was “sexually addicted to the temptations” that they offered, and how the Asian women who were killed were essentially silenced.

    It’s stunning, too, that there’s still this innocence that’s being projected onto a man who killed so many people. How can that innocence not shatter? And how come that person is given the microphone in order to continue this narrative that relegates this sexuality that drives white men crazy? To say that these women hold in their bodies temptations that he can’t resist, and using that as a reason to justify their killing.

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    As you mention, on one hand, Asian women are stereotyped as hypersexual; on the other, they are also seen as “submissive” or “docile.” In fact, dating an asian girl reddit, there was a study done in 2013, which basically found that Asian women are the most “desirable” racial group among white men and other races. How have these two different stereotypes contributed to Asian women being not just objectified but seen by white men as a more “desirable” race?

    Celine Parreñas Shimizu

    The polar way we understand gender as virginal equals good or hypersexual equals bad is particularly a prison for Asian American women, because representations in between are hardly in the movies or are hardly around.

    So whenever we appear, we must contend with the inheritance of excessive sexuality, where you have to say I am not that, and in the act of saying I am not that, it’s easier to go toward the place that says I am a good woman without that scary sexuality. So, it does not allow for Asian American women to define their own sexuality, which would most likely be in the vast expanse of the middle. We really have to live with those scary and very limited polar opposites.

    Rachel Ramirez

    Yes, it seems there is little imagination of Asian women outside of the binary subservient and overtly sexual. Relatedly, there has been some hesitancy to talk about the possibility of these spas in the Atlanta shooting being places of sex work. While we don’t know much about the victims and would never want to assume or lean into stereotypes, are we also ignoring an important vulnerability these political dating sites faced, even if by connotation alone, one that is made worse the more we stigmatize it?

    Celine Parreñas Shimizu

    I definitely think that this must be an opportunity for us to educate on the plight of vulnerable, poor, working women in every industry, including the sex industry. While we don’t know if there were indeed sexual transactions, what we do know is it is really important to highlight questions like: Are these women safe at work? What are their conditions of work? How can we improve them, so that they are not any longer some of the most vulnerable in our society?

    I do see this definitely as an opportunity for us to educate ourselves on the plight that led these women to work there. And also how there is the accepted linkage between Asian and Asian American women and the sex industry, due to the various wars in Asia and the non-accidental ways that the cities and towns that flank the US military bases had a prostitution industry that was supported by the US military-industrial complex. We cannot normalize our ignorance around the conditions in which these women live and work, dating an asian girl reddit. This is definitely an opportunity to improve their situations by finding out more about what we can do to help.

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    In your book, The Hypersexuality of Race, you encourage a shift in thinking about the way Asian women are sexually depicted. How canpeople move beyond that negative perception of Asian women as submissive sexual objects that have no agency? How should we be thinking about the nuance of Asian women and how does that nuance keep them safe?

    Celine Parreñas Shimizu

    Sexuality is a part of all of our lives — whether we love it or are ambivalent about it or don’t want to participate in it. It can be a great life-giving source of physical and psychic pleasure of which we should not be deprived, if we wish to participate in it.

    One fear that I have, in looking at over 100 years of representing Asian and Asian American women as a source of excessive sexuality, is that Asian American women should be encouraged to do the work of defining their sexuality in the face of this dating an asian girl reddit truck that is trying to tell them that they are a particular way.

    I concluded my book with a respectful, interrogative celebration of how Asian American women are using film precisely to explore their sexualities — and, dating an asian girl reddit, of course, it includes their victimization, as well as their empowerment through sexuality.

    We need to acknowledge this huge systemic force that relegates us into a particular kind of sexual role in society. We must take it in our own hands and really centralize our experiences and follow the lead of our foremothers, including Asian American women who worked in Hollywood and Broadway.

    I do hope that we can look at the way Asian American women — whether actors, activists, or scholars — have confronted this infliction of perversity and not run away from our own sexualities, and really use it as a force, not only to feel good for ourselves, but as an opportunity to capture how we are not yet free and that we have so much possibility to create new narratives about ourselves.

    Why did the killer keep going back to those spas? Why did these women continue to deepen into an object status for him? There’s a pornography to this whole thing in terms of what he chose to see about them, dating an asian girl reddit, and how he chose to narrate that encounter, in a way that continues their devaluation, so that in his mind, in his actions, their lives were not worth living or saving but instead had to be extinguished.

    The long history of brutalization of Asian American women has been a part of this country inside and outside it. We need to question our capacity of repressing those stories — and instead, we need to cultivate the need to hear about them and to know them.

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    In a recent Reddit AMA (Ask Dating an asian girl reddit Anything), JT Tran, known as a dating coach extraordinaire, dating an asian girl reddit, university lecturer and the creator of “ABCs of Attraction“, dropped some sage advice for Asian men who face romantic discrimination in the dating world.

    It has long been an issue that Asian men are emasculated in the media (though that’s changing), but sometimes the cultural consequences can be just as problematic when Asian women drop the dreaded, “I don’t date Asian men” line in the dating scene.

    But rather than get upset or play the blame game because of a most unfortunate but minority phenomenon, JT Tran hit Redditors back with an anecdote on the suavest response possible to that line.

    Redditor 8MonkeyKing asked:

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    Thanks for answering all the questions. Since others aren’t asking more, I will ask for some of the guys here. How do you handle Anna LUs? Have your students run into self hating AFs? There is nothing worse than self hating Asians, but Anna LUs really bring out the passion for lots of guys here. In your opinion, how do you handle them? Can you give any real life examples? Thanks.”

    Tran replied:

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    Let me quote a student of mine who recently approached a white guy only dating AF and how he handled it according to the ABCs Of Attraction philosophy:

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    The first thing I told her was, if she were to hypothetically have a son with her white husband, how would dating an asian girl reddit boy, being Asian, live in the world knowing his mother does not find Asian men attractive? This sat with her a little and she responded, ‘he doesn’t need to know.’ Dating an asian girl reddit laughed along with her, it was a good time.

    Later in the evening, she asked me, what is my ultimate dream? I told her what my dream for the world is. To change the standards of what a man is, what a woman is, what beauty and love is, through the films I make and the stories I tell. I spoke from my heart, and she was so drawn into it her eyes widened and her jaw was dropping. I ended with ‘so that one day, you would find Asian men attractive.’

    She was SILENT, dating an asian girl reddit. She couldn’t formulate a response and was giggling non stop. In the end she said, ‘I guess I like white-washed Asian guys.’ I laughed and said, ‘that’s a start.’ I gave her a hug before I left.

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    And I think that starts with how you choose to engage AFs either in a constructive, healthy, and holistic manner or in combative, non-productive way.”

    If that isn’t the most gentlemanly and ultra-slick way to handle that situation, we don’t know what is.

    Tran, who is well-known in the pick-up artist industry, gave some advice to a redditor who asked what the biggest mistakes Asian men make during pick-up/dating boot camps:

    “Asians form the 2nd largest group in the dating & pickup industry.

    So it is no surprise that many might become frustrated with the teachings because 99% of the coaches are Caucasian.

    It shouldn’t have to be explained, but I’ll state the obvious, learning from a 6 foot tall, decent looking white guy, can almost (not always) be utterly useless for the Asian man.”

    Tran also gave a great bit when a redditor 20 dating 34 year old him about the “holistic idea of an Asian man,” or basically what an Asian man’s true identity should be in society:

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    Well fuck that, let me make my own choice of what it means to be an Asian man.

    And that’s what I mean that being an Asian man is what you MAKE it to be. Make the conscious choice to define yourself and live your life as an Asian man on your terms, not anyone else’s.

    I personally believe that Asian men should live a holistic lifestyle, one that is well rounded, that seeks our own happiness, but also creating happiness in others.”

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    Tinder told Quartz that it is not running the video in any region any longer.

    “This video was part of a small test that we rejected and are no longer using. Though it was not our intention, we see in retrospect how the content could be seen as insensitive, and we deeply apologize for any offense caused,” said a spokesman. “We believe that everyone deserves the chance to find their match on Tinder and we strive to make it a community of acceptance and inclusivity for all individuals.”

    Asian men peeved at Tinder—and wedded to the idea that online dating is already plenty hard for them—have numbers to back up their grievances. In 2014, dating site OKCupid revealed data showing that Asian men, along with black women, tend to get fewer matches then members of other races. Asian-mixed intermarriage rates in the US are relatively high at 27%, but Asian women “outmarry” at a higher rate than Asian men, according to Pew Research Center. And in a survey of 354 Asian men conducted by tech entrepreneur Jason Shen, 46% of respondents replied they had been told at least once “I don’t date Asian men.”

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