by Ken-Hou Lin, Celeste Curington, and Jennifer Lundquist, authors of The Dating Divide: Race and Desire in the Era of Online Romance

Dating apps and websites have become the most popular way Americans meet new people and the only way to do so during the pandemic. Yet, for many Black Americans, these apps never fulfill their promises. Despite hours of scrolling, clicking, swiping, or answering personality questions, they often find that they are as isolated on these apps as they were in a bar or at a party. The only difference is that they now have to serve their own drink. The green dot on the screen indicates that they are online, but their profiles appear invisible to everyone else.

Gendered racism on dating apps is not news. Yet we know rather little about how gendered racism is experienced by the daters and how online dating shapes their understanding of race. In writing our book, The Dating Divide: Race and Desire in the Era of Online Romance, we conducted 77 interviews, as well as statistical analysis of how millions of daters interact (or ignore) one another, to understand how race has profoundly shaped online interaction. What we find is that race overwhelms many other variables in determining whether two people will talk to each other, and Black men and women daters were particularly discriminated compared to other minority daters.

While Black Americans experience implicit and explicit discrimination in many social settings, there’s something different on dating apps. With the abundance of options, an emphasis on visual cues, and “the need for speed,” many Black online daters feel that they are most judged based on their appearance and racial background. One of our interviewees, Sandra, a bisexual Black woman, told us:

“Even when I’m matched with others I still wouldn’t get a response. I’m a dark-skinned Black woman. Is that it? I have natural hair and have had natural hair for long before the natural hair movement. Could that be it?”

Monica, a straight Black woman, shared a similar sentiment:

“Online dating makes me feel like kind of the way that I feel in school, that I’m invisible and hypervisible. And I think it really is very much a White women’s market, so I feel like all the biases that people have outside in the real world, it just comes into effect or comes into play when you’re online dating. Like, you’re extra sexual and promiscuous. There’s so many different stereotypes about Black women that I feel like come to play in how people approach me and I guess other Black women on these platforms.”

For both Sandra and Monica, online dating does not provide an opportunity for them to be seen as who they are. Their experiences are shaped by a predictable set of racialized and gendered stereotypes that deprive them of individuality. They are seen as Black women foremost, and often ignored by others. Our statistical analysis shows that, White straight men are four times more likely to message a White woman than a Black woman, even when the two women share otherwise similar characteristics. White straight women are twice as likely to respond to White men compared to Black men.

In cases where White daters decide to message or respond to Black daters, we also found that race continued to shape each step of the encounter. Damien, a 24-year-old gay man, described to us how his sexual encounter with White men usually goes:

“Race is always brought into it. Whenever they say they want to flirt you, they always mention, for example… ‘I want your Black penis’ or something like that. They always put Black before anything. Black hands, Black muscles, things like that. Black bodies. They always do that. I’m sure within White races, when you get in bed with your partner; you don’t say ‘I want your White…'”

Michael, a straight man, has the same experience:

“There’s always this expectation of our prowess in bed. So, there’s that expectation of like, he’s kind of thug. I’m like, ‘I’m kind of a nerd.’ Some of these expectations, they’re wrong to have. It’s not like any of us see a White woman, and we’re like, ‘Yo, she could do my taxes.'”

Many Black women told us that the interest from White men is often sexual in nature. Alicia, a Jamaican American, told us:

“Certain White guys I talk to online, they’re like ‘I never had sex with a Black girl. Imagine having sex with you.’ I said to them, ‘Is that all you want?’ They respond, ‘I don’t know, maybe.’ I’m just like, okay this is uncomfortable. One guy said, ‘I don’t think we’ll date, but I just wanna have sex with you ’cause I never had sex with a Black woman.’ I felt so uncomfortable, and I was just so annoyed. It made me very upset. I was just, like, what the heck? That’s why I don’t date a lot of them online, because I get a lot of that too.”

Interactions like these hearken back to the “Jezebel,” the controlling image of the sexually aggressive Black woman that served as a powerful rationale to exclude Black women from meaningful relationships. Alicia and other Black women daters’ words are stark reminders that their online dating experiences are segmented by race and gender, and the difficulties that Black women face when utilizing dating apps is, indeed, a collective struggle.

Compared to White daters, Black daters tend to have more inclusive and progressive thinking about race and dating, and this is especially true for Black women. Our statistical analysis shows that Black women are as likely to respond to White men’s messages compared to Black men’s messages. However, this does not mean that Black women are “color-blind” when crossing the racial divide. Nena, a Black Floridian, noted:

“A couple of months ago I liked this White guy on Bumble… He tells me, ‘I love Black women.’ I could tell he’s the type that dates Black women, but… He was like, ‘I don’t like when Black people say “Black Lives Matter”; all lives matter.’ We had a discussion about it, and I didn’t like it. Then after than I was just like, yeah, that don’t make any sense to me. Then I just stepped back.”

As Nena pointed out, a willingness to date Black women often does not mean an embrace for racial justice. One can “love” Black women without seeing the struggle Black women experience on a daily basis. Alicia is also acutely aware of this difference. When sharing her experience conversing with a White men she met on a dating app, she said:

“Well, I had a conversation with him and was just like, but I’m a Black woman. If you date me, there’s certain stuff you’re gonna have to know. He was like, ‘I don’t care. I am gonna be there for your, blah, blah, blah.’ I just wasn’t convinced. You know? I just feel like when you see a red flag… I said, ‘What if we had kids together? … Do you realize because you’re White, that doesn’t mean your kids are not gonna face what I go through?'”

For Alicia, the confidence of this White man indicates little more than ignorance. Even though he sees that she’s a Black woman, he has little understanding of her lived experiences.

In 2020, many major dating services spoke out against racism, making donations, allowing their users to add “Black Lives Matter” badges to their profiles, and some removing the “ethnicity” filters from the platform. Yet, these companies never disclose whether these gestures, in fact, reduce the racism on their platforms, a place where Black daters continue to be ignored, humiliated, and objectified. These dating companies should tell us whether removing the filters indeed lessened the isolation of Black daters on their platform. Is there more they can implement to address racism on their platforms? Equally important: what can daters themselves do to really see others for who they are beyond a racial category?  It is time for us to use this technology for good, and not for reproducing centuries of racism.

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Let’s face it. Dating — particularly at midlife — isn’t easy. And interracial dating? Well, that can present a steep learning curve that few of us are willing to talk about — especially if you’re a Black woman dating a White man. But given the growing number of interracial dating sites (such as interracialmatch.com and interracialdatingcentral.com) and the fact that interracial marriage within our community has tripled since the 1980s, it’s a conversation whose time has come.

"Interracial dating comes with its own set of challenges, one of them being social bias,” agrees Shantell E. Jamison, a relationship columnist and certified life coach. “When two individuals from different ethnicities decide to enter into a relationship, they must do so with a level of open-mindedness, patience and understanding. Race and cultural differences can compound the difficulties of communication.

“There will be a number of teachable moments, so a willingness to learn and teach is key," she adds.

When I discussed this with Black women, I found that some of those “teachable moments” were not only familiar to me personally (I’ve been in interracial relationships), but they also show up in pop culture. For example, there was the “washcloth debate” between Tichina Arnold and Beth Behrs in a fall 2018 episode of the CBS sitcom The Neighborhood. The Black character is shocked that her White friend never uses a washcloth and the White character is shocked that her friend always does. And in the 1994 film “Corrina, Corrina,” the Black housekeeper played by Whoopi Goldberg completely confounds her White employer and his daughter with her “spicy” recipes.

One woman I spoke to, who’s been married to a White man for nine years, confided: “[Some people outside our culture] don't understand why lotion is a must for us, because we’re preventing ashy skin. You have to teach them these things.” Another, married to her husband for 10 years, was exasperated with “the lack of security consciousness. Like, why are you not locking your doors?!” Another topic that came up often was hair. “[Men of other races] don’t get why we gotta wrap our hair every night, or why you put oil in your hair when they wash oil out. A Black woman saying, ‘I can’t, I gotta wash my hair,” isn’t a blow-off. It’s a literal evening, a full-out commitment!”

Of course, there’s humor in these comments. But, as we talked further, more serious concerns started to emerge. Here are five things the women I spoke to (most of whom asked to remain anonymous) want you to know about developing a serious relationship with a man of a different ethnicity.

1. “Folks may not believe you’re together — even when you’re clearly together.”
This was a point raised by many, and it’s something I’ve experienced myself. I can walk into some places with my white boyfriend and people — particularly white women — will feign ignorance of us being a couple, even if we’re holding hands or he has his arm wrapped around me. And it’s both a funny and insulting experience to be on a date and to have a server hand you the check, like your man isn’t sitting there. Still, it’s not as bad as the story another sister shared of approaching a Black clerk at the DMV with her Asian husband and being told outright that they were “the weirdest couple” the clerk had ever seen.

2. “If you date a white man, some will question your ‘Black card.’ ”
With Sen. Kamala Harris’ entry into the presidential race (her husband is a white man), I’ve been hearing this particularly obnoxious sentiment more often. And it’s interesting that when it’s a Black man who dates outside his race, his “Blackness” is rarely questioned. But when it comes to Black women, in some circles, you may as well wear a scarlet letter. “There’s some significant backlash sometimes,” one woman told me, theorizing that it’s due to “the systemic denial of Black women’s autonomy.”

3. “Just because he’s dating a Black woman doesn’t mean he’s not biased.”
Assess the content of your date’s character and don’t forget to have the DTR (defining the relationship) talk. Of course, there are men out there — of all races — who aren’t looking for a serious relationship or to bring a woman home to meet the parents. But some women talked in hindsight about feeling like the research subject in their non-Black love interest’s interracial dating experiment rather than a serious romantic prospect. I once dated a White man who swore up and down that he loved Black women, and dated us exclusively. Then one day, I stumbled upon a Facebook post of his, discussing how much he loathed Black men. Stunned, I asked him, “What will you do when you have a Black son?” Bizarrely, it seemed not to have occurred to him.

4. “He may not believe you the first time you try to explain a Black experience.”
“It seems obvious that your White partner wouldn’t understand the struggles you deal with as a Black woman,” another woman told me. “But the surprising part is their willingness to give the benefit of the doubt to the offending party [due to not understanding microaggressions]. Or they themselves are the offending party, letting something slip that isn’t intentionally hurtful or racist but still is.”

If you’re dating a non-Black man who’s new to interracial relationships, know that there will be some additional labor on your part. No, it’s not your job. But if you want the relationship to succeed, you’ll have to commit to teaching him. So, be honest. And if he seems dismissive of your concerns, call him on it. In the best-case scenario, as one woman told me: “He will develop more empathy and awareness than he knew possible, because his job is to support, honor and protect you.”

5. “You’ll learn firsthand about white male privilege.”
We’re all familiar with white male privilege, but it’s quite another thing when the beneficiary is your partner — especially if he doesn’t recognize it. “We'd walk into stores, and at the checkout counter he’d always be addressed before me, even though I was standing in front of him,” one woman complained. “He was a 6-foot suit-wearing businessman in academia. [But] I'm in academia, too. He also got better loan rates, among other things.”

“It can be uncomfortable to discuss the experience of being profiled or followed around a store suspiciously,” says Erin Tillman, a “dating empowerment coach” known online as the Dating Advice Girl. “But it can be tough for people new to the POC (people of color) experience to believe and understand that everyday life experiences [for us] can include a mixture of emotions, anxiety and potential confrontations.”

However, psychologist and relationship expert Steven T. Griggs— who also happens to be my boyfriend’s father — offers some good news. “I know people who are from different cultures, are of different races, speak different languages and who have wonderful long-term relationships. I also know people of the same race, culture, relative intelligence and education who fight like cats and dogs. Why? What makes or breaks relationships are not the similarities and tastes. Rather, it’s the underlying dynamics of the partners in the relationship.”

And another woman I talked to agrees: “I‘ve been married to my husband for 20 years. There are small things that are different, but the respect, trust and love is what matters most. People staring and making comments doesn’t hurt. Going to the store and seeing the surprise and sometimes hateful look on the cashier’s face when she realizes we are together is sometimes funny, sometimes not. But with a relationship built on respect, we take it a day at a time. Nov. 6 will mark our 20th anniversary.”


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By Demetria L. Lucas·

Are you limiting yourself to Black men?

Remember that book I mentioned last Thursday, “Is Marriage for White People?” It was by Ralph Richard Banks, the Black Stanford law professor who suggested Black women stop exclusively dating Black men.
 
He wrote an essay for the Wall Street Journal yesterday. “Black women confront the worst relationship market of any group because of economic and cultural forces that are not of their own making; and they have needlessly worsened their situation by limiting themselves to Black men,” Banks said. “Black women can best promote Black marriage by opening themselves to relationships with men of other races.”
 
Instead of blaming Black women’s “attitude”, weight, high expectations, etc. for why 42% of Black women are single, Banks points to socio-economic factors that affect Black men such as the high incarceration rate, low pursuit of higher education, and limited economic opportunities. His essay about Black marriages is the only in my recent memory that was written by a Black man and didn’t blame Black women for the downfall of Black marriages. Yet, Banks’ received massive criticism from readers who found his suggestions preposterous.
 
Jezebel writer Erin Gloria Ryan was one of them. “This isn’t economic policy; love isn’t a logical decision…” Ryan said in “Can White Men Fix Black Relationships?” Suggesting that Black women react to their smaller dating pool by simply changing their tastes and abandoning the hope that they’d be able to raise a family with someone from a similar cultural background is borderline absurd.”

Is it really? What may be absurd is that most Black women continue to date Black-Only. We have made a priority out of men who have largely made us options. On top of the socio-economic and political factors that prevent many Black men from being eligible partners, up to 20% of Black men marry other races of women.

Perhaps it’s time for unmarried Black women to consider what our loyalty is likely to fetch. During my interview with Banks for the September issue of ESSENCE, he pointed out, “if you’re a college educated Black woman, and you’re going to be with a Black man, most of you will be with men who are not doing well, who are less educated and earning less than you.”

Banks added: “The reality is… you have less in common with the guy you grew up with who’s driving the UPS truck and more in common with the White guy who sat next to you in history class in college.”

If single Black women want something that they’ve never had — marriage or committed relationships with men who’s accomplishments match their own, they are going to have to try somethings they never have. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. And continuing, en masse, to date Black-only sounds just a little insane.

“If [a man] knows that you’re going to expand your horizons, he’s going to have to give you a better deal to keep you,” Banks said. “Your options outside the relationship determine what happens in it.”

Discuss.

Demetria L. Lucas is the Relationships Editor at ESSENCE and the author of “A Belle in Brooklyn: The Go-to Girl for Advice on Living Your Best Single Life” (Atria) in stores now. She has recently been nominated for an African American Literary Award. Vote for her now on literaryawardshow.com
 

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My profile has been created. It seems simple enough: swipe left to dismiss, swipe right to express interest.

The first eligible bachelor appears – not my type, I swipe left. Then another follows – too young, I swipe left again. Ten swipes in, and I find myself texting my eldest sister this was a bad idea. A feeling of vexation settles over me.

I didn’t think I would ever have to use a dating app, but men don’t talk to me any other way.

I’ve spent so much time trying to understand what is so unattractive about me that men shun me. At first, I thought it was because I was intimidating – a word I’ve heard used to describe me. For a while, I concluded I was “not that interesting,” a line I subsequently used as my biography on social media. But those explanations won’t do.

The real issue is staring me right in the face: my deep mahogany skin.

Colorism – the prejudice based on skin tone – has stunted the romantic lives of millions of dark-skinned black women, including me. We are not as valued as our lighter-skinned counterparts when seeking romantic partners, our dating pool constricted because of something as arbitrary as shoe size.

Like other systems of racial inequality, American colorism was born out of slavery. As slave masters raped enslaved women, their lighter-skinned illegitimate offspring were given preferential treatment over their darker counterparts, often working in the house as opposed to the fields. This order has since been perpetuated by systemic racism and internalized by black people. It remains alive even now, insidiously snaking into my life.

I have many memories of being degraded because of my complexion, the most piercing is from middle school: two girls giggled in my Georgia history class during the showing of a documentary about slavery. As the film explained the origins of skin tone prejudice, one girl – biracial, hazel-eyed and the only other black girl in class – whispered that she would have been a house slave, but that I would have been a field slave. As the famous image of whipped Peter played on screen, I sank down in my chair, silently greeting the weight of oppression on my 12-year-old shoulders.

In many ways, nothing has changed since that day. Dark skin still not only comes with the expectation of lower class but lessened beauty, not to mention uncleanliness, lesser intelligence and a diminished attractiveness. Meanwhile, everywhere we look, women like me see successful black men coupled with fair-skinned female partners who pass the paper bag test – a remnant of the Reconstruction era, where the only black people worthy of attention had to be lighter than a paper bag. This “test” was even instituted in places such as historically black colleges and universities as an informal part of the admissions process.

Today, this gradation discrimination remains. “It’s typical to see light-skinned black women as representing beauty in the black community and therefore being highly desirable for high-status spouses,” says Dr Margaret Hunter, who teaches sociology at Oakland’s Mills College and has studied the relationship between marriage and colorism for over two decades. Hunter sums it up like this: “Black women in general marry less than other races but darker-skinned black women marry men of lower social status than the lightest-skinned black women.”

The lighter the shade, the higher the probability of marriage

Jasmine Turner, owner of BlackMatchMade, a Chicago-based matchmaking company, agrees this affects all black women. “Honestly, I think black women tend to lower their standards because they’re finding challenges in dating. Now I’m finding that black women are like ‘You know what, as long as he has a good job and he’s a good person …’ No matter how successful they are, they’re open to dating him.”

I’ve never been one to settle. I’ve taken this attitude to the app, only searching for men who are gainfully employed and fairly decent-looking. But I definitely understand what she means. Previously, dating has made me feel like I must drop some of my must-have criteria – a college education, a steady job, and able and willing to pay for the first date – in order to find a match. My mother has even scolded me for it, telling me to raise my standards: “I’ve been on a lot of dates, and no girl should ever pay for a first date!”

But my feelings of a necessary drop in standards have been validated by research from Dr Darrick Hamilton, a professor of economics and sociology at Ohio State University. Hamilton aggregated information from the 2003 Multi-City Study of Urban Equality to identify why so many dark-skinned women who date men remain bachelorettes. His assessment was designed to show how the imbalance of eligible black males – taking into account high incarceration rates and a limited labor market – affects the marriage market.

His research shows that a scarcity in available “high-status” husbands (defined as higher levels of education, not growing up on public assistance, coming from neighborhoods that had less crime), effectively leave black men in control of the dating selection process. His data concluded 55% of light-skinned women were married while only 23% of dark-skinned women had jumped the broom.

“[Black men] have unnatural power within marriage markets that enables them to bid up cursory characteristics like skin shade,” Hamilton told me over the phone. In other words, the lighter the female, the higher the probability of marriage. “One of the results that we found was that [darker-complexioned] black women who have ‘higher status’ faced a greater penalty in marriage markets than those with a lower socioeconomic status.”

According to his research, I am the epitome of the “high-status” option. College educated, familial middle class background, age 16-30, able-bodied. But according to the equation, I haven’t the “social capital” (read: skin tone) to seek a quality match.

But before even entertaining thoughts of marriage, I have to get past the dating stage. Turner says she often sees black men pass up perfectly eligible dark-skinned women. “Black men will say, ‘complexion doesn’t matter’, but they might give that lighter complexion woman who is very comparable to a darker-complexion woman a chance, when they wouldn’t give that darker-skinned woman a chance.”

The effects play out in the lives of women like me and my friend Larissa. We usually like to talk about sci-fi books and traveling, but today I ask her if she’s ever felt diminished by men due to her complexion. “Sometimes, I can kinda feel their eyes sliding off of me to go the pretty white girl next to me, or even the fairer-skinned Yara Shahidi type,” she says, a twinge of sadness in her voice. While she sees herself getting married, she doesn’t know if she will end up with a black man. “I don’t necessarily see myself walking down the aisle with a black guy. Not because I’ve written them off or because I don’t want to, but just realistically, based on how the dating life has been treating me and how I’ve been approached.”

Julie Wadley of North Carolina’s matchmaking service EliSimone, which caters to a mostly black clientele, has observed this dynamic in her field. “I’ve had colleagues who were like, ‘Hey, I have a black client and he’s open to any race’. I’m like ‘Oh, OK, great! I’ll send you a couple of matches who fit what he’s looking for. Then they’ll come back and say, ‘She’s too ethnic looking’.”

I know exactly what she means, but I ask anyway: “What would ‘too ethnic’ mean, in terms of look?”

“Dark skin. Someone who is probably brown to dark skin. Someone with natural hair. Someone who is over the size of six,” she answers. “I would bet $5,000 every single one of my black colleagues have had that happen. Where they’ll come back and say, ‘Uh, well, he’s only looking for someone who is very fair’; or, ‘He’s looking for someone who is light-skinned’.”

Still, Wadley tells me, she hoped I’m not writing a “woe is me, nobody wants dark-skinned girls” article. I wince hearing it, hoping for the same, deep down. But this topic doesn’t lend itself to optimism.

‘It made me feel like I would never be wanted’

Writing this piece, a memory I had long forgotten resurfaces. At university, on the line for the security check-in for dorms, I bumped into a friend of my former roommate. I inquired about something someone had said. Immediately, his face changed from joy to anger. “You’re too dark to be talking to me like this, Dream,” he sneered. Hurt to the point of rage, I bristled and walked away. We never had a conversation again.

I aimlessly skim the app late one night, swiping left, right, right, left. I’ve only made a few matches since downloading it the week before. Then, I come across a profile. “I only date light-skinned women…” reads his bio, even though his skin tone matches mine. I wasn’t going to swipe right in the first place – he was not cute – but I still feel the bristle of my sophomore year. I roll my eyes, and swipe to the next one.

I would like to think I’ve grown up since that 19-year-old who was insulted at the gate of my dorm. My dark skin is not something to be ashamed of, even if past lovers made it clear they were ashamed to be associated with me because of it. I’ve been all of it before – I’m dating someone but there’s a secrecy to our relationship: hands that only hold yours in private, a reluctance to present you to family and friends, kisses that only meet your lips when no one else can see.

I hate that I’ve had to beg for legitimacy in my intimate relationships. I hate that my friends have had to do so too. I want love, but my self-esteem is too high a price to pay.

Sharlene and I met at a Kendrick Lamar concert during our freshman year of college and we’ve stayed in contact ever since. Knowing she’s shared similar sentiments about dating in the past, I get in touch, hoping to round out my perspective on the matter. “I feel like dark-skinned women were just the women that men had behind closed doors. They weren’t trophy wives enough for you to show to the world. Somebody wouldn’t want to show me off but, next thing you know, they’ve got somebody lighter and they’re showing them off … It made me feel like I would never be wanted.”

Deflated, I talk to Elizabeth, my former sophomore-year roommate, who is now in her third year of law school. I ask if a partner has said anything rude to her because of her skin tone. She names a man I know, to my dismay. “There was just a comment that he made one time. [He said] ‘I want a white family’.” She laughs: “It was just so weird to me because you’re telling me you want a white family. I can’t give you that! Like, why are you talking to me?”

“I want a white family.” The words stick with me for the rest of the day, weighing me down like a bale of cotton. It brings tears to my eyes. I wonder: are dark-skinned women just the placeholders until they meet their desired match? Do all these men really just want white families?

A few nights into the app, another guy pops up on my screen – decent looking and seemingly gainfully employed. I’m mildly interested. His profile bio is just one line: “The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice.”

My immediate thoughts warn me of a possible fetish. Dating with dark skin often comes with a double-edged sword: we are unwanted, except by men who want to create an experience out of us, leaving our personhood out of the equation altogether. We become empty objects, vehicles for pleasure, rather than multi-dimensional beings.

Hunter vocalizes this sentiment. “At the same time, there’s also a kind of fetishization of darker skin. So sometimes you’ll hear people say ‘I only like dark-skinned women’ or that ‘dark skin is sexy’ or something like that,” she tells me. “Not that those things aren’t true or good, but they also kind of objectifying or sexualizing in a way that isn’t necessarily the solution to the discrimination. It’s an inversion, basically.”

The bachelor on my screen shares my mahogany skin tone. But I’m wary he, like other black men, may fall victim to this form of objectification. I remember how Sharlene expressed her frustrations with her beauty being seen as skin deep. “We can’t get just get a regular compliment,” she laments. “I know that people think that calling me chocolate all the time, or talking about ‘your skin is beautiful’ is a compliment. But why can’t I just be beautiful?”

I hear what she and Dr Hunter are saying, but my choices are few. I feel limited; I was made to feel this way. In the end, I swipe right. My screen darkens, proclaiming a match has been made. We chat, but the spark isn’t there.

But three weeks after joining the app, I finally hit a stride and start having more fun. I’ve matched with someone who seems promising. He’s smart, we work in the same industry, and our conversations online have been pleasant. I ask him to meet, and he agrees.

We are meeting at a food hall; for me, it’s a short walk and a train across town but feels like a world away. A slew of hopes run through me on the way over. I hope I’ll be just as attracted to him in person as I am online. I hope he won’t murder me.

I approach the hall, take a deep breath, and ready my fingers to pull the door open. “Here we go,” I whisper to myself.

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By Demetria L. Lucas·

Are you limiting yourself to Black men?

Remember that book I mentioned last Thursday, “Is Marriage for White People?” It was by Ralph Richard Banks, the Black Stanford law professor why black women are dating white men suggested Black women stop exclusively dating Black men.
 
He wrote an essay for the Wall Street Journal yesterday. “Black women confront the worst relationship market of any group because of economic and cultural forces that are not of their own making; and they have needlessly worsened their situation by limiting themselves to Black men,” Banks said. “Black women can best promote Black marriage by opening themselves to relationships with men of other races.”
 
Instead of blaming Black women’s “attitude”, weight, high expectations, etc. for why 42% of Black women are single, Banks points to socio-economic factors that affect Black men such as the high incarceration rate, low pursuit of higher education, and limited economic opportunities. His essay about Black marriages is the only in my recent memory that was written by a Black man and didn’t blame Black women for the downfall of Black marriages. Yet, Banks’ received massive criticism from readers who found his suggestions preposterous.
 
Jezebel writer Erin Gloria Ryan was one of them. “This isn’t economic policy; love isn’t a logical decision…” Ryan said in “Can White Men Fix Black Relationships?” Suggesting that Black women react to their smaller dating pool by simply changing their tastes and abandoning the hope that they’d be able to raise a family with someone from a similar cultural background is borderline absurd.”

Is it really? What may be absurd is that most Black women continue to date Black-Only. We have made a priority out of men who have largely made us options. On top of the socio-economic and political factors that prevent many Black men from being eligible partners, up to 20% of Black men marry other races of women.

Perhaps it’s time for dating less attractive woman reddit Black women to consider what our loyalty is likely to fetch. During my interview with Banks for the September issue of ESSENCE, he pointed out, “if you’re a college educated Black woman, and trans girl dating site going to be with a Black man, most of why black women are dating white men will be with men who are not doing well, who are less educated and earning less than you.”

Banks added: “The reality is… you have less in common with the guy you grew up with who’s driving the UPS truck and more in common with the White guy who sat next to you in history class in college.”

If single Black women want something that they’ve never had — marriage or committed relationships with men who’s accomplishments match their own, they are going to have to try somethings they never have. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why black women are dating white men. And continuing, en masse, to date Black-only sounds just a little insane.

“If [a man] knows that you’re going to expand your horizons, he’s going to have to give you a better deal to keep you,” Banks said. “Your options outside the relationship determine what happens in it.”

Discuss.

Demetria L. Lucas is the Relationships Editor at ESSENCE and the author of “A Belle in Brooklyn: The Go-to Girl for Advice on Living Your Best Single Life” (Atria) in stores now. She has recently been nominated for an African American Literary Award. Vote for her now on literaryawardshow.com
 

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I take a deep breath and ready my fingers. I admonish myself for being theatrical about something so mundane. Another deep breath.

“Here we go,” I mutter, pressing enter.

My profile has been created. It seems simple enough: swipe left to dismiss, swipe right to express interest.

The first eligible bachelor appears why black women are dating white men not my type, I swipe left. Then another follows – too young, I swipe left again. Ten swipes in, and I find myself texting my eldest sister this was a bad idea. A feeling of vexation settles over me.

I didn’t think I would ever have to use a dating app, but men don’t talk to me any other way.

I’ve spent so much time trying to understand what is so unattractive about me that men shun me. At first, why black women are dating white men, I thought it was because I was intimidating – a word I’ve heard used to describe me. For a while, I concluded I was “not that interesting,” a line I subsequently used as my biography on social media. But those explanations won’t do.

The real issue is staring me right in the face: my deep mahogany skin.

Colorism – the prejudice based on skin tone – has stunted the romantic lives of millions of dark-skinned black women, including me. We are not as valued as our lighter-skinned counterparts when seeking romantic partners, our dating pool constricted because of something as arbitrary as shoe size.

Like other systems of racial inequality, American colorism was born out of slavery. As slave masters raped enslaved women, their lighter-skinned illegitimate offspring were given preferential treatment over their darker counterparts, often working in the house as opposed to the fields. This order has since been perpetuated by systemic racism and internalized by black people. It remains alive even now, insidiously snaking into my life.

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In many ways, nothing has changed since that day. Dark skin still not only comes with the expectation of lower class but lessened beauty, not to mention uncleanliness, lesser intelligence and a diminished attractiveness. Meanwhile, everywhere we look, women like me see successful black men coupled with fair-skinned female partners who pass the paper bag test – a remnant of the Reconstruction era, where the only black people worthy of attention had to be lighter than a paper bag. This “test” was even instituted in places such as historically black colleges and universities as an informal part of the admissions process.

Today, this gradation discrimination remains. “It’s typical to see light-skinned black women as representing beauty in the black community and therefore being highly desirable for high-status spouses,” says Dr Margaret Hunter, who teaches sociology at Oakland’s Mills College and has studied the relationship between marriage and colorism for over two decades. Hunter sums it up like this: “Black women in general marry less than other races but darker-skinned black women marry men of lower social status than the lightest-skinned black women.”

The lighter the shade, the higher the probability of marriage

Jasmine Turner, owner of BlackMatchMade, a Chicago-based matchmaking company, agrees this affects all black women. “Honestly, I think black women tend to lower their standards because they’re finding challenges in dating. Now I’m finding that black women are like ‘You know what, as long as he has a good job and he’s a good person …’ No matter how successful they are, they’re open to dating him.”

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But my feelings of a necessary drop in standards have been validated by research from Dr Darrick Hamilton, a professor of economics and sociology at Ohio State University. Hamilton aggregated information from the 2003 Multi-City Study of Urban Equality to identify why so many dark-skinned women who date men remain bachelorettes. His assessment was designed to show how the imbalance of eligible black males – taking into account high incarceration rates and a limited labor market – affects the marriage free online 3d sex dating games research shows that a scarcity in available “high-status” husbands (defined as higher levels of education, not growing up on public assistance, coming from neighborhoods that had less crime), effectively leave black men in control of the dating selection process. His data concluded 55% of light-skinned women were married while only 23% of dark-skinned women had jumped the broom.

“[Black men] have unnatural power within marriage markets that enables them to bid up cursory characteristics like skin shade,” Hamilton told me over the phone. In other words, the lighter the female, the higher the probability of marriage. “One of the results that we found was that [darker-complexioned] black women who have ‘higher status’ faced a greater penalty in marriage markets than those with a lower socioeconomic status.”

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The effects play out in the lives of women like me and my friend Larissa. We usually like to talk about sci-fi books and traveling, but today I ask her if she’s ever felt diminished by men due to her complexion. “Sometimes, I can kinda feel their eyes sliding off of me to go the pretty white girl next to me, or even the fairer-skinned Yara Shahidi type,” she says, a twinge of sadness in her voice. While she sees herself getting married, she doesn’t know if she will end up with a black man. “I don’t necessarily see myself walking down the aisle with a black guy. Not because I’ve written them off or because I don’t want to, but just realistically, based on how the dating life has been treating me and how I’ve been approached.”

Julie Wadley of North Carolina’s matchmaking service EliSimone, which caters to a mostly black clientele, has observed this dynamic in her field. “I’ve had colleagues who were like, ‘Hey, I have a black client and he’s open to any race’. I’m like ‘Oh, OK, great! I’ll send you a couple of matches who fit what he’s looking for. Then asian girl dating website come back and say, ‘She’s too ethnic looking’.”

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Writing this piece, a memory I had long forgotten resurfaces. At university, on the line for the security check-in for dorms, I bumped into a friend of my former roommate. I inquired about something someone had said. Immediately, his face changed from joy to anger. “You’re too dark to be talking to me like this, Dream,” he sneered. Hurt to the point of rage, I bristled and walked away. We never had a conversation again.

I aimlessly skim the app late one night, swiping left, right, right, left. I’ve only made a few matches since downloading it the week before. Then, I come across a profile. “I only date light-skinned women…” reads his bio, even though his skin tone matches mine. I wasn’t going to swipe right in the first place – he was not cute – but I still feel the bristle of my sophomore year. I roll my eyes, and swipe to the next one.

I would like to think I’ve grown up since that 19-year-old who was insulted at the gate of my dorm. My dark skin is not something to be ashamed of, even if past lovers made it clear they were ashamed to be associated with me because of it. I’ve been all of it before – I’m dating someone but there’s a secrecy to our relationship: hands that only hold yours in private, a reluctance to present you to family and friends, kisses that only meet your lips when no one else can see.

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A few nights into the app, another guy pops up on my screen – decent looking and seemingly gainfully employed. I’m mildly interested. His profile bio is just one line: “The darker the berry, why black women are dating white men, the sweeter the juice.”

My immediate thoughts warn me of a possible fetish. Dating with dark skin often comes with a double-edged sword: we are unwanted, except by men who want to create an experience out of us, leaving our personhood out of the equation altogether. We become empty objects, vehicles for pleasure, rather than multi-dimensional beings.

Hunter vocalizes this sentiment. “At the same time, there’s also a kind of fetishization of darker skin. So sometimes you’ll hear people say ‘I only like dark-skinned women’ or that ‘dark skin is sexy’ or something like that,” she tells me. “Not that those things aren’t true or good, but they also kind of objectifying or sexualizing in a way that isn’t necessarily the solution to the discrimination. It’s an inversion, basically.”

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I hear what she and Dr Hunter are saying, but my choices are few. Lesbian dating how to attract a woman feel limited; I was made to feel this way. In the end, I swipe right. My screen darkens, proclaiming a match has been made. We chat, but the spark isn’t there.

But three weeks after joining the app, I finally hit a stride and start having more fun. I’ve matched with someone who seems promising. He’s smart, we work in the same industry, and our conversations online have been pleasant. I ask him to meet, and he agrees.

We are meeting at a food hall; for me, it’s a short walk and a train across town but feels like a world away. A slew of hopes run through me on the way over. I hope I’ll be just why black women are dating white men attracted to him in person as I am online. I hope he won’t murder me.

I approach the hall, take a deep breath, and ready my fingers to pull the door open. “Here we go,” I whisper to myself.

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Reposted with permission from the blog of Chinyere Osuji. 

When I was studying at Harvard in the early 2000s, I had a black immigrant professor who had built part of his career gas-lighting anti-black discrimination in favor of 1990s-style black cultural why black women are dating white men tropes. My grad school girlfriends and I awkwardly giggled over “the sex parts” of his book on black assimilation. He cited statistics saying that black women did not perform oral sex as often as white women, making them less desirable sexual partners. Sexual incompatibility on this sex act was part of the motor driving black men to date interracially more than black women. I was struck by how he ignored scholarship showing how white women are lauded as the essence of beauty, domesticity, and ideal womanhood. Instead, in a reversal of the Jezebel stereotype, he explained this race-gender imbalance as due to black women being prudes. I remember that when we stopped laughing, we speculated on which black woman might have hurt him and whether this was scholarly revenge porn against black women. We also questioned how his much paler wife felt about this discussion.

Over a decade later, I noticed the increasing popularity of a similar dynamic: “Black women need to be more open!”

How many black women have heard this in reference to our dating and marriage prospects?

Black women’s inability to “open up” to dating non-blacks (presumably whites) was curtailing our attempts at finding long-term love. Oprah even emphasized this point to her best friend, Gayle, trying to convince her to date non-black men. Once more, statistics showing black men being more likely to interracially marry were used to show how our actions were deficient.

According to the US Census, close to 90% of all marriages take place within the why black women are dating white men ethnic or racial group, with whites being the least likely to inter-marry. Matured dating sites, black women’s intra-racial preferences, not anti-blackness and misogynoir, were the cause of our lower likelihood for marriage in comparison to other similarly situated women.

Research by demographers shows that most non-black men, even those open to interracial dating, discriminate against black women in their online dating profiles. At the 2018 American Sociological Association annual meeting, Belinda Robnett (UC-Irvine) presented research showing white men were open to dating black women for interracial sex, but not interracial dating. Together, their studies suggested that, as in all pairings, it takes two to tango and, unless it is solely horizontally, black women indeed have better odds at finding long-term romantic partnerships with black men.

In my book, Boundaries of Love: Interracial Marriage and the Meaning of Race, I conducted over 100 interviews with people in black-white black senior community dating in Los Angeles and Rio de Janeiro. I had the privilege of listening to men and women across racial pairings share the monotony, excitement, struggles, and joys of being married to a person on the other side of the ethnoracial hierarchy. Almost all couples seemed content in their relationships. Several were parents navigating how to raise children who were comfortable with the black, white, multiracial, and multi-ethnic sides of their extended families.

One thing that struck me about the black women whom I interviewed was how several of them complained about their white husbands who “just didn’t get it.” As people on the top of gender, racial, and often class hierarchies, these white men often why black women are dating white men not make sense of the privileges they accrued in a society that fought very hard to occlude them. The work often fell on their black wives to teach them how they navigated the world as white middle class men. A few white husbands were “woke” to these dynamics. When I interviewed them individually, we laughed about their couple tactic of wives “tagging” them for interactions with customer service representatives and other outsiders. This strategy ensured that they used their race and gender privileges for the good of the family. Still, black women in other relationships described the emotional labor of explaining intersections of disadvantage to their oblivious white husbands.

I asked all of the husbands and wives about their experiences in their “romantic career”— how they understood their desires for spousal characteristics through prior romantic experiences. Unlike the white women whom I interviewed, black women in both Los Angeles and Rio de Janeiro described the slights and microaggressions that they had experienced in the past. Several admitted to having been the “black girl in the closet” to nonblack men they had dated. For example, Lana was a 35-year old black woman whom I interviewed in Los Angeles, why black women are dating white men. She recalled a previous relationship with a white guy when she was in college.

Lana: …. I don’t think he ever told his grandparents, why black women are dating white men, for example, that I was black.  And when he told a group of his friends… they were like, “Oh what does your girlfriend look like?” and he kind of described me and was like “Dark eyes, dark hair, dark skin.” They were kind of like “What?” and it was very like “Oh…” like very, very surprised I guess. So there was definitely some of that and it was kind of difficult for me that if the relationship had gotten more serious that I was gonna have to worry about his family would perceive me or if they’d have – obviously they would have had a problem with me if they’d met me…. just because of me being black.  Not his parents but his grandparents because I had met his parents and I got along really great [with them] actually, but I think he was worried his grandparents just wouldn’t be very tolerant.

Lana’s story was similar to several black women that I interviewed in Los Angeles and Rio de Janeiro. Like Lana, some black wives saw these experiences as a tactic that their previous white boyfriends used to protect them from anti-black relatives or to avoid white shock. Several black women were surprised at how long it had taken them to meet the friends and families of their white husbands. Dating scottish women of the white wives in either setting described similar experiences with previous same- or different-race partners. Other black wives, especially in Rio de Janeiro, described prior non-black partners being ashamed to be seen with them in public. For why black women are dating white men reasons, black women who had these experiences expressed discomfort with these previous dynamics.

As Jessie Bernard famously articulated, in every (heterosexual) marriage, there are two relationships: “his” and “hers.” For this reason, it is reasonable to expect that partners were having different experiences in these relationships. When I interviewed white husbands in both places, why black women are dating white men, several described having absolute autonomy to their relationships, both current and past. For them, their relationships were none of anyone’s business. As a consequence, they did not echo their black wives’ sentiments of feeling exceedingly excluded from white family and friend networks before they married. Nevertheless, when white husbands “just did not get it,” it was a source of tension in the relationships.

From a research standpoint, Boundaries of Love shows it is unrealistic and unfair to blame black women for their challenges in finding love when dating app with fewest scammers and bots is embedded in why black women are dating white men and marriage markets in both the United States and Brazil. In addition, this research shows that interracial dating and marriage may involve its own particular sets of issues. At the same time, since no marriage is without its issues, it also shows that black women can form happy, loving relationships with white men.

On a personal note, as someone who dates black men as well as men of different ethnic and racial backgrounds, being open-minded to love should be a goal for everyone, not just black women. Unfortunately, that is far from our social reality and may decreasingly be the case in the Trump era. Still, when it comes to interracial dating and marriage, it’s time to end arguments of black female deficiency. As Marcyliena Bromance taking place of dating relationships, another black professor at Harvard, advised, it is time to love us or leave us alone.

Chinyere Osuji is Assistant Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University at  Camden. In her book, Boundaries of Love: Interracial Marriage and the Meaning of Race (2019, NYU Press), Osuji compares how interracial couples in Brazil and the United States challenge, reproduce, and negotiate the “us” versus “them” mentality of ethnoracial boundaries.Boundaries of Love is based on over 100 interviews with black-white couples to reveal the family as a primary site for understanding the social construction of race. 

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1, why black women are dating white men. Why Is The Number of White Women/Black Men Relationships So Much Higher Than Black Women/White Men?
Sat, Sep 25, 1999 - 2:26 PM/EST
hill

I am truly baffled as to why there are so many more white women/black men relationships than black women/white men relationships. I am not even going to list my theories here because I would like to get your ideas without you feeling you have to respond to what I have written. I really would like some feedback on this issue. Thanks.

2. HELLO TO ALL!
Sat, Sep 25, 1999 - 3:36 PM/EST
ancientapple

Hill, in response to your question: I have my own ideas as to why this is. I think in general women tend to be more compassionate people (not that men can't be.) I think we are more open and less afriad of straying from cultural norms. I think men are much more prone to socital pressures. Of course these are generalizations and there are always exceptions.

3. Response to hill
Sun, Sep 26, 1999 - 11:49 PM/EST
britt

Well, this is my opinion: history, history, HISTORY! Over 2/3 of this country's history involves slavery. During slavery, as I'm sure you're well aware, the occurence of white slaveowners raping their black female slaves and biracial daughters was extremely common. I think there grew such a hatred of white men, especially representing slavery and the whole power structure, in general, that it became taboo for black women and white men to be involved.

In many cases, though, black men were beaten or killed for even looking at a white woman, so I'm not really sure why so many black men are with white women. That's a lot of history to get selfies for dating apps guys, too.

Maybe it's because we, as women, can somewhat understand a piece of what discrimination feels like (although that is in no means saying that we understand what black men go through every day) so we can be understanding, but a white man has literally no idea what that feels like, because he is at the top of the ladder or food chain or whatever you want to call it. Who knows? Just throwing out a few suggestions.

6. Brain Washed!!!
Mon, Sep 27, 1999 - 12:05 PM/EST
ravenc1

I believe some black men have such a warped sense of who they really are. During slavery their identity was totally stripped from them. I've heard some black men talk about why they date white women and they say black women have an attitude problem and give them too much lip. In their mind white women act the total opposite.

They do as they say and really i think that means when they tell them to bend over they do so. Not only that but i also think it's an economic status they think they are reaching. White women are usually associated with money and class where as black women are usually associated with section 8 and five kids with five different fathers at the age why black women are dating white men 16. I say this only in saying what i think they believe. In no way do i believe this.

7. black/white relationships
Mon, Sep 27, 1999 - 1:01 PM/EST
kjsmama

I think ancientapple is absolutely right that it comes down to compassion. Women ARE discriminated against, so there's a basic level of understanding that's available for WW/BM couples. As to the reverse, my GUESS is that it's a societal norm. WW are "allowed" to think that BM are sexy, think athletes and male models, while the messages targeted to single men are thin white lingerie models. Why would a WM look to a BW when that's not what they are spiritual dating site to think is good-looking or sexy (and neither are their friends, who are, why black women are dating white men my experience, often the litmus test to a successful relationship, perhaps even more than women's friends).

My hope, however naive, is that people will begin to see each other for what is really there and not why black women are dating white men base their experience on the media messages we receive.

As to ravenc1's belief that WW "bend over" for BM, I have to say that my (black) husband would never treat any woman with disrespect or expect that they would bend to his will, mostly because of his awesome mom. Teach and they will learn.

9. Response to ravenc1
Mon, Sep 27, 1999 - 4:12 PM/EST
britt

I agree with you, that for some black men, white women is the ultimate ideal, or whatever. It's like the movie "Jungle Fever," when Lonette McKee tells Wesley Snipes that he dated lighter and lighter until he got himself a white woman. I have also heard many black men say that black women are "too strong, too opinionated, too independent, too whatever." and that white women will just do whatever they want, give them their credit cards, let them walk all over tham and not think twice.

That is not all relationships, but I know this goes on a why black women are dating white men. That is one of the reasons I detest the stereotype of the "typical" black male/white female relationship, where she is rebelling against her parents and venturing into the exotic realm, and he is just looking for a bank and a free car. I have to disprove that a lot, and another stereotype is that the white one wants to be black and the black one wants to be white.nonsense. Well, maybe for some, but not for me, my boyfriend, or most of my friends.

10, why black women are dating white men. Denial?
Tue, Sep 28, 1999 - 1:11 PM/EST
seattle

It is interesting to me that the majority of people posting are white women in interracial relationships or parents of biracial children seemingly wanting validation or feel the need to defend there relationships.

I have lived in a why black women are dating white men town outside of Seattle for the last 10 years and interracial relations are very common here. Although I hate to generalize people, my experience has overwhelmingly been the same. I have had conversations why black women are dating white men many white women, because of the work I do and have been inside the homes of many of these women as well as had some exposure to interracial relationships in my own family.

Now, I'm sure I will get verbally attacked for saying this but usually you find, broken black men with identity issues and white women who are rebelling or have been rejected by white men in these relationships. White women usually expect to be preferred and black men are looking to find something that isn't there. Online dating devaluing heard Bill say it in the film, "black boys spend all there time trying to figure out how to bed a white woman", I don't agree with that statement (and know many brother's who'd disaggree too) but why would he say it?

After white women have kids with black men, how many white men would be willing to raise black or "bi-racial" children?

Prejudice is in all of us, more than any of us want to admit. Society's message has not changed much over the years, black still equals bad, ugly, inferior etc. and you have many of us still dealing with issues of self-hate and ignorance about our history and culture. In my opinion, we have too much work to do within our race to focus on relationships outside. We all know you must love yourself before you can love anybody else, don't be fooled ladies.

11. How To Make White Men Appealing To White Women
Wed, Sep 29, 1999 - 12:18 PM/EST
hill

I do not believe some white women would seek out
black men if white men were kind, compassionate,
appealing, and loving to these women. Just because
white men are in power does not mean that they
should not be held accountable for their actions.
White women who seek out black men because of
white men inadequacies should get together and
confront white men about their behavior and/or
lack of appeal. I am sure that some white men
would make an effort to change if for no other
reason than to keep white women out of the
hands of black men.

12, why black women are dating white men. Response to hill
Wed, Sep 29, why black women are dating white men, 1999 - 2:29 PM/EST
britt

Do you honestly think that white men are THAT concerned with whether or not certain white women are interested in dating black men.enough to CHANGE THEMSELVES??? I think that is a bit naive. Men in general are comfortable and not interested in changing themselves just so a few women who didn't look at them before would give them a chance now.plus, I wouldn't date a guy if I knew he was only dating me to keep me "out of some black guy's hands."

13. Response to Britt
Thu, Sep 30, 1999 - 7:36 AM/EST
hill

Yes, I do admit that I am naive as far as white
men are concerned. But I do know that the only
way to solve any problem is through honest
communication. Does it not bother you that
white men do not care about what you think? Maybe
if some white women would spend their energy and
time helping white men to become caring human
beings and less time running after black men, our
country and world might be a better place.

14. Resonse to hill
Thu, Sep 30, 1999 - 7:52 AM/EST
britt

Why do you think that white women "run after black men?" What about the other way around? Why is it white women's fault that there are interracial relationships? It takes two to tango, and I'm sure if black men were not interested, it would be a different story.

I do not happen to chase black men down and beg them to date me.if my boyfriend and I should happen to break up, I won't go running around town looking for my next black victim!
As I've said before, I have dated both white and black men, and will probably do so again.
Oh, and how do you free online dating for depressed people the shape of the country would change if there were not interracial dating?

15. Response to Britt #14
Thu, Sep 30, 1999 - 11:02 AM/EST
hill

Before I answer the questions you raised, I most
comment on your seemingly total lack of concern
for the plight of white men. It is a fact that
most white men do not go outside of their race for
companionship. So who else but the white woman
can possibly help the white man to become a more
caring and compassionate human being. Now to
answer your questions. Question 1: Why do I think
white women run after black men? I did not say
white women, I said "some" white women.

Unfortunately, I have seen some white women make
shameful spectacles of themselves in their effort
to attract black men. I have even been approached
by white women asking me if I would help them findblack men to date.

Question 2: What about black
men running after white women? You are correct
that some black men do run after white women. But,
I have never observed any noble reasons for thechase.

Question 3: Why is it white women's fault
that there are interracial relationships? I do
not perceive interracial relationships as a fault.
I was speaking about the white woman who dated
black men because white men had not been receptiveto her needs, why black women are dating white men.

Question 4: How do I think the
shape of the country would change if there were
not interracial dating? If white women, who date
black men because they are dissatisfied with the
treatment received by white men, put their energy
into improving the lot of white men who rule this
country, I believe the benefits for all of uswould be great.

Black women are not thought of
too highly in this world. But, as a black woman,
I know that if a black man needs help in any area
of his life, there is a black woman who will be
there for him. I believe the most precious gift
that women bring to this planet is our compassion
and care for life. Women have a great
responsibility to impart these gifts to our boys
and men so we can create an environment where
these conversations will no longer be necessary.

16. response to hill #15
Thu, Sep 30, 1999 - 12:25 PM/EST
annetta

Hill, would I be right if I guessed that you
are just totally fed up with biracial dating,
or just black men/white women dating? I know
how you feel. I can understand people getting
together(all people)for companionship and what-
ever. But what I'm against, is going after any
race just because you think that you are going
to be any better off than you were before.

Example: I know a black woman who only dates
white men because she said black men don't know
how to treat women. I know a mexican guy who
only dates black women, because he says they
are better in bed. I know a white guy who dates
only black women because he says he likes the
contrast in skin color and the darker the better.
I know black men who only date white women for
for what they can get and vice versa, this is what I'm talking about.

I guess I'm against
the stereotypes. I know trying to find someone
is difficult, and if you meet a nice person and
they just happen to be another race well then
more power to you. But let that be the reason.